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Old 30-09-2006, 09:26
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Can A Lab Tell The Difference Between "Synthetic" & Real Urine?

SWIM would like to know if there are any lab techs out there that could answer some questions about EMIT--GS/MS testing.

SWIM needs to know if these tests and the speciman validity tests can tell the difference between "synthetic urine" and human urine. SWIM ordered some clean human urine from a company that sells it, but he's still not sure if it will pass all the tests and he hasn't been able to find anyone who has any info on whether it will or not.

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Re: Any Lab Techs Out There? UA Testing Questions

Is SWILuLu, talking about synthetic urine or clean human urine as, to SWIM's knowledge, they aren't the same thing. SWIM has heard about "powdered Urine", which is clean human urine that has been dehydrated and is simply reconstituted with a premeasured amount of water.

This actually piqued SWIM's curiosity, so he inquired at the lab where he drops (SWIM has been dropping for a 10 panel and a 16 panel multiple drug screen EMIT/GS-MS for about 16 months now).

According to the lab whitecoats, neither synthetic human urine nor clean human urine will show anything different that an absolutely clean "normal" U.A., with the following POSSIBLE exceptions- synthetic human urine could come back as diluted if an excess of water is used in re-hydrating. They said that they knew of no difference between dehydrated and synthetic, except that one was dehydrated and one was not. Also, synthetic would be standardized, which would mean that it would NEVER change. Might be a red flag if one was doing long-term testing, as SWIM would think that SOME deviation is "normal and expected". Clean human urine is just that, urine provided by a test subject that has no unlawful chemical ingestion within a pre-determined time period.

This is the report from a small county hospital lab facility, however, the individual SWIM spoke to has been a qualified lab-meister for over 25 years and a qualified federal level collecter for over 20 years, so you decide has to the thruthfulness of this information
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Old 16-10-2006, 08:02
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Re: Any Lab Techs Out There? UA Testing Questions

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Hey! SWIM needs to know if these tests and the speciman validity tests can tell the difference between "synthetic urine" and human urine. SWIM ordered some clean human urine from a company that sells it, but he's still not sure if it will pass all the tests and he hasn't been able to find anyone who has any info on whether it will or not.
Thanks for the info Mick! You have answered SWIM's question. He wanted to know if the synthetic would pass all the tests without the lab being able to tell that it was synthetic. (Good Point about the variables never changing.)

Also, as for the "real" stuff, SWIM has used the freeze-dried human urine that was purchased on the 'net. SWIM was wanting to know if anyone had used this with success. If it really worked or if it was a rip-off.

SWIM will be able answer that himself shortly, as he is waiting to hear test results now.

LuLu

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