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Okay, this is an odd topic. Swim told me about an interesting observation he made. He killed off 56 grams of high quality Kratom in two days. He is big into opiates, but has always hated the way that they affect his urinary system. He expected the same thing on Kratom. He was surprised to find that instead of having difficulty urinating, a common side effect of high dose opiates, he was pissing more frequently, and it was PLEASURABLE! It was like that feeling you get when you finally make it to the bathroom and have to pee real bad and have been holding it too long every single time! That night he had Awesome sex, something else he finds difficult on opiates.
Has any of swiy had this experience?
SWIM has no interest in sex on opiates. Kratom does not have that effect, though it does not enhance sex either. It does cause some urinary retention at higher doses for SWIM, but not as bad as opiates...
Sex on kratom can be great. The nerve sensations can be very heightened, right up to the point when one is about to achieve orgasm - at which point the ball drops and so does the nerve impulse to come as well as stay erect. Back before he had worked up a habitual tolerance to kratom, SWIM wasted many minutes and muscle power on fruitlessly trying to masturbate, lol.
Go into it knowing that you possibly/probably won't come, sort of like on MDMA, and sex on kratom is pretty fun.
SWIM finds that kratom either enhances his sexual pleasure (during more energizing phases) or has no effect. He uses kratom occasionally and close to rarely; twice per month at most, but on average about once per month. It is a pleasant diversion, but if it went away due to DEA scheduling SWIM would not mourn; there are too many other pleasant and rewarding things in life to enjoy, and substances come and go as they have throughout SWIM's lifetime.
SWIM agrees that kratom is not the best for daily use. SWIM also agrees it interferes with libido. It had a number of effects SWIM notices more now that SWIM has abstained for a while (SWIM quit well over 1 year of daily use 4 days ago). SWIM felt the same kind of life-force leaching effect SWIM got with other opiates, only much less profound. However, the libido thing eventually occured the same as with heroin (ie-no interest in sex). SWIM still plans to use on an occasional basis, but has decided daily use is not worth the side-effects. Maybe 1-2 / month would be ideal.
SWIM notices more now that SWIM has abstained for a while (SWIM quit well over 1 year of daily use 4 days ago). SWIM felt the same kind of life-force leaching effect SWIM got with other opiates, only much less profound.
Congratulations! Despite all the talk about being so much easier to quit than opiates (helps keep the stuff legal anyway), many seem to have a moderately difficult time with it.
SWIY should be starting to notice withdrawal symptoms going away, and keeping a careful lookout on days 5 through 7 (SWIM keeps hearing about a potential depressive episode around that point).
Sorry to post so much hear-say... SWIM reads a lot and is good at collating, junk-filtering and personalizing information in a compact format (computers are supposed to do that automatically, but SWIM doesn't think they're there yet).
hear-say is about all we got to go on.
Actually, so far, except for 3 days of crippling fatigue, SWIM feels better overall. SWIM has had the opiate monkey on the back before, and though there is a minor withdrawal, it is candy next to real dope. However, all of the soulsucking drain of motivation is there - it just took longer to come on and was more sneaky about taking SWIM's will in its crusty hands and slowly strangling the life out of it. SWIM is bipolar anyways, so depressive and manic episodes will likely blend into the background of everyday life. SWIM does not crave the stuff at all either, though SWIM looks forward to the occasional lost afternoon in kratomland. SWIM also looks forward to a restoration of SWIMs normal hyperactive libido. SWIM was thinking it was lots of other things but now suspects, like dope, it was the kratom.
SWIM should have known better, but SWIM will likely make the same mistakes over and over in SWIM's life.
Keep the heresay coming...
SWIM hasn't experienced any problems with a low dose, masturbating and with a partner. On a high dose SWIM does a lot of fantasizing, however when he masturbate, SWIM's mind seems to be to distracted to finish it off. Especially when SWIM closes his eyes for a moment. SWIM didn't try a high dose with a partner, SWIM Is to lazy then.
SWIM has been using Kratom I would say chronically - daily use for over 2 years, and has been experiencing progressive loss of libido and sexual performance problems. SWIM has tried quitting kratom a number of times and managed 6 days at New year, then went straight back to daily use (10-20g of resin extract daily). SWIM has finally put 2 and 2 together and figured that the kratom might be responsible for the libido loss and sexual performance problems (ED).
SWIM hopes that once completely off the kratom, normality will be restored (36 being rather too young to face permanent ED, for someone who had a very high sex drive before the kratom) and hopes that this will happen and that the damage is not permanent.
SWIM went through the first 24 hours with barely any symptoms, with positive feelings about conquering the addiction, but became fatigued towards the end of the second day, with lots of yawning. Despite fatigue, SWIM had a terrible night with extreme restlessness and mixture of feeling freezing cold and sweating with heat, plus twitching limbs and feelings of depression. SWIM knows that the vicious cycle of fatigue plus no sleep plus depression can lead to relapse, but the thought that this stuff has had such an effect on SWIM's sex life is motivating SWIM to keep going.
Keep at it. SWIM is sure that kratom long term will cause ED and loss of libido. Keep at the quitting - the withdrawals do not last that long and once past the fatigue, there is just some moodiness. The libido thing seems to have fixed itself. SWIM has used kratom twice in the last 2 months and both times, SWIM found libido to be diminished, unlike when SWIM first started and it was still intact during use.
Good luck SWIAvidFan
I didn't see this anywhere on this thread but have written i elsewhere... most opiates (although kratom is not a traditional opiate) when used consistently over a period of time decrease testosterone. If this is true for kratom the whole penis thing would surely be involved, and the nuts might be smaller than if no kratom had been used. I don't know how long it takes to restore normal levels after use is stopped but I am guessing not more than 2-4 weeks.
SWIM experienced surges of libido on night three without kratom - more than he can remember for sometime, but is not yet sure if this was his mind trying to distract itself from some pretty nasty withdrawal insomnia and agitation (will post SWIM's progress in a more relevant thread).
I will update on SWIM's progress with libido/performance in due course.