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Old 11-01-2007, 13:24
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TFMPP (trifluoromethylphenylpiperazine) Experiences

ok, swim finally tried tfmpp alone:

35mg, swim can confirm that there are a lot of physical effects that can be defined toxic, so swim noticed:

hot skin, alternate to a cold feeling with tremors(like fever, going on like waves)
no hunger(but thirsty)
pleasure in touching things
pleasure in drinking
dilatated pupils
pleasure in music
clear thinking(this surprised me) but cant focus long on things
high stimulation
unstoppable laughing for every little reason
antidepressive feeling(socializing very easy, happy feeling)
little headache on came down, but not very strong at all if compared to 5-meo-amt comedown
no or very little hangover or down, next day no depression or antisocial feeling.maybe because i took antioxidants, vitamins berfore the experience and 5htp after.

35mg felt somewhat strong in toxic effects. maybe lower doses could provide more psychological stimulation rather than physical effects.

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Old 22-01-2007, 02:07
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Re: Tfmpp

smiw ingested a full and compressed capsule of tfmpp and well basically swim was completely normal except for the fact that swim felt rapid temperature changes in the body. it did not affect swims apetite, but the eyes where heavily dialated like mdma. everything felt normal with a pinch of increased vigilance. no halucinations whatsoever. what does it really do and is there a better legal alternative to tfmpp with increases entheogenic effects?
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Old 07-02-2007, 06:49
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Re: Tfmpp

Good info here...

It's Very Rare to find ANY experience reports with TFMPP by itself. A+ for effort and interest here!

IMHO, with so many RC's out there and people who've experimented with them, with many of them being much more "experimental" and scientifically proven to be more toxic, I find it hard to believe that many people would not post their detailed experiences with this lone substance!!

COME ON... Which SWIYs tried TFMPP by itself?!? Post the experiences, good or bad, with dosages! Also, I'm sure body type/size, demographics (age, sex) and lifestyle info (sedentary or athletic; frequency of use of other psychelics), and prescriptions or other supplements (vitamins, herbs, et al) affect these trip reports as well....

So if SWIY has tried this substance, please describe the people involved according to the above requirements!


Does anyone think that motion-sickness pills might counteract the nausea or headaches?

Also, might Nootropics like Piracetam/Aniracetam/etc eliminate toxic feeling effects? (I.e., They have been clinically studied in tens of thousands of humans to prevent cellular and neural damage, and even REGENERATE neurons and brain tissue)...

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Old 15-02-2007, 13:08
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Re: Tfmpp

Yeah, you're right, tfmpp alone reports are very rare.
i found only one(an email on erowid)

I can tell you that piracetam and vitamins did not help with side effects.
anti-sickness pills(for nausea) , anti-headache, benzos(to sleep) did'nt help too.just a little.

if i had to describe tfmpp i would call an "Emotion Amplifier".
every feeling you have is amplified, becoming more sensible to things.
thus, the feeling of fear becomes to anxiety.it is a unique drug in that sense.

Another interesting thing about tfmpp is its effect only on serotonin system(feelings,emotions, headache, nausea etc) thus it could be interesting if a researcher wanted to explore the serotonin functions in human body.

i would not call it a stimulant. just is fun to do everything, and you are stimulated in that way.

probably the most empathogenic substance around.
anxiety effect is like badtrips in hallucinogens. if you don't have fears or worries around your mind then is a wonderful trip. if you are sad, than you have a chance to get a bad trip(in this case anxiety, not bad visuals)


I can compare it to 5-meo-amt(without dopamine pleasure and noradrenaline energy):
nausea and headache at high dose(serotonin overload)
empathy,love and happiness(wanted effects)

swim didn't had a big serotonin depletion: the ipothesis about tfmpp non-neurotoxic is probably true.after effects lasts 2 or 3 days after depending on dose, and include a general anxiety feeling.I think its for some 5HT receptors regulation(the mechanism that gives also tolerance and crosstolerance)

Dose: erowid lists 25-100 mg dose.
swim is sensitive to most stimulants, needing a lower dose of everything.
here is my dose chart:
5-15mg threshold
15-30mg normal
30-50mg high
50-100+mg very high

i'm happy if i helped you!

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Old 20-03-2007, 04:41
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Re: Tfmpp

How does the dosage range above compare to other's experience?

Has anyone combined TFMPP with other compounds OTHER than Piperazines????
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Old 21-03-2007, 13:41
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Re: Tfmpp

yes SWIM tried a combination TFMPP(30mg)+MDPV(5mg)
no special things happened, just duration of total experience was longer, and side effects enchanced:
hyperthermia was extreme
abdominal-back pain

some MDPV stimulation was noticed, but the side effects ruined any sort of pleasure.
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Old 15-04-2007, 04:40
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Scary TFMPP Experience!

This experience happened to SWIM a couple of weeks ago. It turned out very differently to how SWIM had anticipated, given he has a lot of experience with TFMPP in combination with BZP.
The TFMPP was in pure, powdered form, method was intranasel and dosage was approx. 333 mg. SWIM must hold his hands up and admit that he had not researched this drug properly, hence the high dosage, and assumed he could handle it, because he usually takes above the recommended dosage of piperazine pills/capsules. He was much mistaken!
The effect came on almost as soon as he snorted his dose. SWIM felt an intense burning from snorting the powder, far worse than speed or coke, comparable to snorting pure BZP powder. The snorting was followed almost instantly with SWIM's nose becoming blocked and eyes watering. He had another line to snort but was already feeling too wasted to manage it. Thank God he didn't!
By the time he had a fag a few minutes later there was a lot of confusion. However much he tried to clear his nose it wouldnt work, and this lasted a good 2 or 3 hours. It was like snorting this stuff had given SWIM an instant cold. He thinks it really did because 2 weeks later he still has a sniffle similar to the tailend of a cold.
He tried smoking a bowl of cannabis, to help, but by this time he was tripping badly. Given that BZP/TFMPP never seemed trippy to SWIM, this surprised him. Seems that TFMPP on its own is far more psychedelic than BZP. SWIM realizes now it is added to BZP to give it a more E-like flavour.
SWIM tried watching TV for a time but he knew by this time he had overdone it. His hearing and vision were both seriously playing up. SWIM takes SNRI's so began to worry about serotonin syndrome, thinking he was gunna die. With hindsight, this is probably what happened to SWIM, because he has never felt so close to deaths door on any drug. He lay in his bed for 3 hours, praying that it would end, struggling to breathe shallowly, nasel passages completely blocked.
Gradually he came back to baseline, thanking his lucky stars he was still in the land of the living. He has certainly learnt a valuable lesson about RC's and drugs in general.
All in all, he doubts he will try this particular chemical on its own again, as there seems no real point, unless you're into more psychedelic drugs, and it was probably his scariest drug experience yet.

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interesting report, sounds like quite the ride!
Awful experience, but good report. Cheers.
good detail but SWIM ate about 500mg and felt nothing till SWIM ate a pill
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Old 15-04-2007, 22:21
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Re: Scary TFMPP Experience!

333mg is a lot! what's SWIY body wheight?

for SWIM 50mg were a lot!
i hope people around the forum will see TFMPP(not in combination) in another way, as a lot here said its effects are mild alone.

so you found it different from BZP combination?
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Re: Scary TFMPP Experience!

My God, just reading the above post has made Swim feel ill.

The highest dose of TFMPP Swim has seen in a manufactured product designed for oral consumption is 100mg which is excessive anyway IMHO.

Snorting this corrosive crap is strongly advised against, which depending on the source may be very unsterile and also contain manufacturing byproducts.

SwiBaron Samedi, there are some liquid nasal sprays on the market (Nasaline etc) which may help reduce inflamation inside Swiys nose, but if symptoms continue it would be advisable to have a doctor take a look up there.
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Re: Scary TFMPP Experience!

To me, the scary part is that SWIY couldn't be bothered to take a simple look through Erowid or such to find out what an appropriate dose might be, or even to see what effects you might expect from the drug. Simply and utterly irresponsible. I hope SWIY has health insurance to go along with that strategy, or even better, that SWIY has taken this experience as a wake up call.
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Re: Scary TFMPP Experience!

That about settles this. Reminds me of the story of the woman who walks into a person's house, picks up a bottle off a table she assumes is water, takes a big swallow, and ends up dead because she just swallowed a lethal overdose of GHB.

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Re: Scary TFMPP Experience!

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333mg is a lot! what's SWIY body wheight?

for SWIM 50mg were a lot!
i hope people around the forum will see TFMPP(not in combination) in another way, as a lot here said its effects are mild alone.

so you found it different from BZP combination?
333mg and snorting it! That's a big mistake and suspect will not be repeated!
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Re: TFMPP experiences

swim had a party pill with tfmpp this weekend. It also had bzp like most party pills. Although the tfmpp added some euphoria and empathy, he found the side effects to strong to call the experiment enjoyable.
Swim reminds tfmpp of lsa, it has simular sideeffects, like blocking the nose, and there´s also this ugly feeling all over the skin that just tfmpp has.
This smiley´s party pills have 40mg tfmpp in them, maybe that´s still to much for him.
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Re: TFMPP experiences

9/12/07

11:30 (0:00)
100mgs TFMPP administered orally, as well as 500mgs Ascorbic Acid,, 100mgs 5-hydroxytryptophan, and 1000mcgs of Cyanocobalamin. Also, a 16/4 [daily] dose of Suboxone was taken several hours prior.

12:00 (0:30)
Serenity with an ebbing body high (similar feeling to that of Carisoprodol). Obviously the TFMPP is magnifying the Analgesic & Anxiolytic aspects of the Burpenorphine in its 9th inning.
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Re: TFMPP experiences

mif has used tfmpp with meopp (50 mg tfmpp 150 mg meopp). no neg side effects to report...in addition to the (fairly mild) effects of the meopp, minor visuals were noticed. (ie: color enhancement, mild patterning) he has never bothered to try tfmpp alone.
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Re: TFMPP experiences

SWIM had TFMPP once and probably never will again simply because it is illegal where SWIM lives and there are much nicer illegal things around if one is so inclined. The details are sketchy as this was several months ago, but I thought I'd post SWIM's opinions because they seem to differ to most people's.

SWIM does not know the dose as it was a capsule that was traded to him and he was told it was a 'perfect' dose. He took it at 10:30 AM. About half an hour later he noticed a rush that was similar to speed. By 11:30 he was getting full on rushes that were quite enjoyable even though he doesn't like speedy feeling hugely.

1.5 hours into the experience it had reach full intensity and SWIM described it as the stimulation of speed, but with the pit of the stomach rush of MDxx (which SWIM finds much more enjoyable than the empty stimulation of speed). He felt restless and went for a walk, but didn't really have that much energy and ended up going home and watching TV.

He went and visited his dad a couple of hours later and it felt enjoyable to talk. By the time he got home at about 6PM he was still getting rushes, but they were subsiding. The stimulant effects had worn off completely by about 8PM and he felt drained as he does after taking any stimulant.

Overall, SWIM does not like stimulants, but of all he has tried, TFMPP seemed quite nice. It had more of the rushing quality that MD has than speed does(actually about halfway between the two), but without the empathogenic properties (often SWIM thinks that MD has a lot of emotional bullshit and doesn't like the fact that it makes him think he is top shit, but he likes the rush). Also, speed usually gives him a terrible comedown. He often has trouble breathing when he is coming down from speed and feels like shit.

TFMPP Also lasts much longer than speed, and for the peak (7-8hrs) the rushes come in waves like MD which means that SWIM wouldn't have had the urge to redose if he had the opportunity.

All in all, he thinks that if he was interested in stimulants he would approve, but he will stick to the psychedelics.

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Old 17-12-2007, 03:34
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Re: TFMPP experiences

SWIM is surprised that SWIY felt a speedy effect from TFMPP as his experience of doing TFMPP on its own was very psychedelic.
Having said that he did far too much which has left him fearful of ever trying it again without BZP.
BZP on its own seems much more speedy to SWIM, but maybe it was just the ridiculously high dose of TFMPP that he consumed, which caused him to trip like hell.
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Re: TFMPP experiences

baron samedi, please elaborate on "trip like hell" and the dose.
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Re: TFMPP experiences

Well, most of SWIM's "bad" experience is discussed in his post earlier on in this thread, but to elaborate he basically snorted about 333mg's of TFMPP, thinking that dosage would be equivalent to taking BZP, and lived to regret it.
When he says "trip like hell" he wasn't exactly transported to another dimension, or conversing with demons or anything like that, but he definately experienced "trip" like effects, in that his vision and hearing both became seriously warped. When people spoke to him their words sounded extremely distant and muffled and visually he couldn't focus on anything as it was so fuzzy.
He should add that he was on a dose of 300mg's of effexor XL at the time which suggests to him that he was probably experiencing a kind of "serotonin syndrome", accounting for the feeling of great fear and panic he had.
Needless to say, such an experiment has not been repeated!
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Re: TFMPP experiences

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He should add that he was on a dose of 300mg's of effexor XL at the time which suggests to him that he was probably experiencing a kind of "serotonin syndrome", accounting for the feeling of great fear and panic he had.
SWIM took some tabs before that were passed on as ecstasy but were a copycat pill. Swim took 3 tabs and had earlier dosed his daily dose of 5-htp. SWIM experienced serotonin syndome and would like to suggest that "great fear and panic" could be repleaced with TERROR.
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Re: TFMPP experiences

Yeah TERROR would be a pretty good way to describe SWIMs feelings on that night. He has certainly never felt as close to death as he did do then.
The feeling that he'd done something very stupid and not knowing what to do about it was intense. He is lucky he was able to ride it out in bed for a few hours, then gradually the symptoms subsided.
Can SWIAlpine remember any particular symptoms that he experienced with his SS?
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Re: TFMPP experiences

SWIM thinks the cheamicals he took (although he cannot be sure) was TFMpp and BZP.

SWIM brought some 'MDMA' off of a new dealer. The powder looked white with some clearer crystals and tasted sweetish, but had a funny after taste. SWIM was understandable pissed off. To be on the safe side a small bomb was made about 100-150mg.

After 2hours SWIM started to get noticeable come-up feelings. He yawns/stretches and gets a grin on his face, all of which are common signs of MDMA-ish chemicals for SWIM. He leaves it a while longer and not much more happens so he stakes some more.

In total SWIM took around 400mg. After a while SWIM noticed visual distortions and his friend who had done only 10-80mg (but had snorted it) complained he felt hot. SWIU left for a walk which ended up being out for quite a while. During this time visualations got very intense and SWIM started having huge panic attacks between episodes of laughter.

Later that night after meeting with some more friends, SWIM talked a good deal with a close friend. The experience had made SWIM look deep inside himself and he had decided that drugs had ruined his life for long enough. That night changed SWIMs life. No longer does he want to carry on hurting people.

All in all a very unpleasent experience ... SWIM thought it was his last. 12 hours of hallucinations and panick attacks. SWIM was an idiot for ingesting so much ... dealer was even more of an idiot for selling it as MDMA.

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Re: TFMPP experiences

The following note was found while walking alongside a duckpond one day. The author must have been some kind of criminal, as they detail some things that might actually be illegal. I'll try to write everything down as it's written in the note, but all the words seem to be water damaged. I'll do my best:

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The author appears to have been a 25 year old male, roughly 6 feet tall and weighed about 180 pounds (~81 kilograms).

TFMPP was acquired from a reliable source. Although it was not tested by the author by HPLC or other method, it was stated to be greater than 98% pure.

One gram of the material was received. The compound was a slightly off-white powder. It had an unusual crystalline quality that was reminiscent of frost or snow (not drug lingo but actual frost or snow).

The first exposure to the drug was after having vaporized a fairly great deal of jwh-018.

Roughly 300 milligrams were placed on the tongue. The compound had a very unusual "flavor". There is an immediate impression of sickly sweetness that is similar to (but not nearly as pleasant as) ginger but gives quickly into an acrid bitterness. Like other hallucinogens, the taste of this compound seems to remain on the palate for quite a while, so it is advisable to bypass this by putting the compound into gelcaps unless one is interested in experiencing its rather unique taste.

Very rapidly there was a nitrous oxide-like sensation that may have been attributable partially to the jwh-018 that was consumed orally roughly an hour before. There was also a quite distinct auditory warping effect of a quite dramatic pitch change. This aspect was probably the most interesting property but has not been experienced when TFMPP was administered alone on two other occasions. The author had also not experienced this exact sensation with jwh-018 alone. This quickly dissipated and gave way to a coming on sensation that is more typical of hallucinogens.

Visual hallucinations were apparent very quickly. In many ways this was similar to the hallucinatory component of Hawaiian Baby Woodrose seeds without the accompanying euphoria. "Tracers" or the overlay of patterns on objects were the most prominent form of hallucination. Color was perceived as enhanced or altered in a way unlike other hallucinogens and often these effects were subtle. Nature was particularly appreciable. Entheogenic or spiritual and insightful properties were not particularly valuable -- a lot of time was spent thinking deeply into subjects that were not important or relevant. It would be hard to say that much was "accomplished" mentally, as is often felt with mescaline containing cacti, Psilocybe mushrooms, or Hawaiian Baby Woodrose seeds.

Hallucinations were accompanied intrinsically with intense nausea. This was felt within ten minutes of consumption. When jwh-018 was inhaled in an attempt to minimize nausea, the visual component of the experience was decreased in a direct linear correlation with the nausea. This has also been noticed by the author when jwh-018 was used during experiences with 2CE (although the discomfort with 2CE seems to be felt more in the enteric system -- perhaps why Alexander Shulgin referred to it as a "difficult" compound). The author stated that he would be writing more about 2CE in another report.

Social interaction was greatly enhanced with TFMPP. The discussion of difficult topics which had emotional implications was dramatically easier. A conversation with a close friend turned into somewhat of a confrontation of everything awkward that had made the friendship uncomfortable over the years. Events that had occurred in the past were spoken of in a very open fashion that would never have occurred otherwise. Word choice and fluidity of dialogue were improved. Feelings of love for others was strong. This effect was felt regardless of jwh-018 usage. This was considered the most positive aspect of the experience.

The author of this article appears to be male, as he has stated that blood flow to a certain part of the anatomy was decidedly reduced and felt throughout the entire experience as though urination was necessary when in fact it wasn't.

The next day, there was an enormous headache that was very painful, but was responsive to 800mg ibruprofen, 100mg caffeine, and 650mg acetaminophen repeated 3 times throughout the day. The entire day was spent in bed.

On two other occasions, TFMPP was the only drug consumed and the dosage was 300 milligrams +\- 10mg. All of the above effects were present, with the hallucinogenic component slightly more pronounced and lasting throughout a little over half of the duration of the drug. The nausea however was unmanageable and unbearable. Violent vomiting occurred several times and the headache experienced the next day was debilitating. Unlike mescaline containing cacti or Hawaiian Baby Woodrose seeds, vomiting did not provide any sense of comfort or cause the nausea to go away. Vomiting continued even when the stomach was completely empty.

Overall the experience reminded the author that hallucinogenic compounds are very beneficial, but that this particular compound had too many side effects to be considered enjoyable. It is extremely nauseating and provides none of the spiritual insight of a true hallucinogen. There is no euphoria and interestingly the nausea seems to overpower any music enhancing properties, color exaggeration, or other beneficial properties. When the nausea is controlled, these pleasurable properties also seem to dissipate. The social enhancement is worthy of note, but not compared to a large variety of other substances. Hawaiian Baby Woodrose seeds share some of these qualities, but the nausea dissipates after the hallucinogenic effects kick in, and at least there is an appreciable amount of internal insight, euphoria, and creativity enhancement that accompanies these side effects. Mescaline containing cacti are quite different and once again the nausea dissipates rather rapidly after vomiting and once the hallucinogenic and entheogenic effects become apparent, the nausea is forgivable. Psilocybe mushrooms don't cause much nausea and occasionally when nausea is present, it can be ignored. The author has only rarely ever felt a need to vomit with Psilocybe mushrooms. He has experienced heroic doses of all of the above compounds, including jwh-018 and 2CE. Whereas these other psychedelic agents (barring jwh) cause one to feel totally in love with the world and connected to the universe, TFMPP causes a slightly more intoxicated sort of insight. The interconnectedness is felt, but insights seem to be less valuable -- sort of a manic kind of importance placed on things that comes across as little more than psychotic blather. The author has never had the great pleasure of experiencing real LSD, but would likely enjoy it a great deal.

Thus, the author concludes that Psilocybe mushrooms are really the best of the hallucinogenic class that he has tried and if one wants to add a special quality to the experience, the addition of perhaps 30-60 milligrams of dextroamphetamine orally provides a great deal of socialization enhancement. Anyone interested in an MDMA-like experience may find this combination quite nice.

Pure BZP also shares a lot of the qualities of MDMA and has very few side effects for the author at dosages of even a few hundred milligrams. If one can procure pure BZP in powdered form and can add it into a gelatin capsule, it would be well worth ones time. Often party pills sold as pure BZP will still have mCPP and other things added and this is probably why some people have experienced problems. Of course there are also accounts of seizures, so tread with caution.

In short, TFMPP is only worth ones time if they have never experienced an hallucinogen. Hawaiian Baby Woodrose seeds would be considered a much better place to start, and still better yet would be Psilocybe mushrooms. They are the most visual, spiritual, and socializing of these drugs and have the fewest side effects for all practical purposes.

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I have no idea what the hell any of this means, but I think it's something to do with drugs, so I posted it here.

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Good report. It would be good to know the user's age/weight.

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Re: TFMPP experiences

AFOAF recieved a sample of this with another, better RC purchase some years ago.

AFOAF's stats at the time:
Male, 160/165 pounds, good physical health, ok mental health (anxiety problems, controlled w/benzos, mild depression). Heroin addict.

Other drugs used THAT DAY, only small amounts of alcohol during experience, heroin used much earlier in the day, benzos taken to terminate experience.

Dosage: 120 mg oral

Comeup was slow and felt no buzz of any kind until approx 1.5 hours into the experience. He says that for about 30-40 minutes he felt like one feels when on the very edge of the beginning of a psychedelic experience, all nervous energy, rushy, a bit euphoric, ok so far.

2 hours in, rushy still, anxiety becoming unbearable, feel noticably hot. Crack a beer to help deal with both issues.

Stays at this level for some time, but then body temp feels like it is skyrocketing. Draws a bath of cool water, drinks water heavily, and another 2 beers to calm anxiety. Once in the bath, he takes his temperature w/oral thermometer and finds that although he feels on fire he is only 1 degree over normal, normal for him being 98.1, not 98.6.

Emerges from bath and begins to converse with housemates, finds conversing difficult and confusing.

Anxiety and feelings of heat stay with him, he decides to atempt to terminate early with benzos and is basically successful.

Seems useless except as torture device. On the 1-10 scale he gives it a 1.

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