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SWIM found that 450mg of DXM (full blown dexing) almost cured withdrawals. The cold sweats, aching, uneasy feelings, and inability to sleep disappeared when SWIM peaked on the DXM. The full body numbness was a huge releif for SWIM and although it was very disorienting at times SWIM felt overall more in control. The next day SWIM still felt the familiar remnants of that DXM feeling but no withdrawals.. Once the day went on SWIM began to notice some minor cold sweats and a little uncomfotable feelings. SWIM was mostly normal feeling though, and SWIM noticed that he would feel little waves of withdrawal symptoms but could easily ignore this and feel really pretty good.
SWIM has only tried this once and after the DXM SWIM had no trouble sleeping and very little other withdrawal symptoms..SWIM used the DXM about a 1.5 days into not using any opiates. SWIM was told and read that DXM was not opiate enough to help with opiate withdrawals but certainly experienced withdrawals deminishing and staying mostly away after using DXM. Sense SWIM only did this once SWIM is curious if others know people who have experienced this? And SWIM would recommend it to those in withdrawal desperate to feel human again.
Just be sure you use pure DXM or something with ONLY Dextromethorphan Hbr (SWIM prefers Hydrobromide over polistirex) as the active ingredient.
SWIM and their friend can confirm DXM does work to a degree for alleviating withdrawl symptoms for them. SWIM has known this for some time and it's neat to hear about someone else doing it too, though a DXM trip is a pretty intense side effect =P
excellent info. Thanks. SWIM just recently ran out of dope and is going to try and stay off it for a while.
He is pretty good with opiates and withdrawls, but has only been without dope one day out of about a month and a half of everyday use. That day he ran out wasn't even that bad, just the uncomfortable body feeling when trying to sleep. And today he was real pissy and edgy.
He scraped all his bags and has 2 decent doses left he will save for tonight before he goes to bed and sometime tomorrow when needed.
He will definitely try the DXM, though. Thanks!
So SWIM tried this 3 days in a row during his withdrawls. Each time he took about 200-300mg.
It really did almost cure him of all withdrawl symptoms. I mean, his symptoms mainly were just uneasy/restless body (ESPECIALLY when trying to sleep), and no energy. DXM really helped, though!
Swim read about this sometime ago. Swim tried it and it actually did alleviate most if not all w/d symptoms. When swim has been on a long binge and experiences w/d symptoms he usually uses benzos the first day and dxm on the second with some benzos before sleep. Swim has done this about three or four times and it is definitely the best way to get through the withdrawals for swim. The dxm will work through the 3rd day after dosing on the night of the second day being clean, which is awesome because usually swim will awake the 4th day being through the worst of the w/d.
One should never resort to switching an opiate addiction to a DXM addiction....long-term use of DXM is much more harmful than opiate addiction.
You are very right, SWIYs liver would be pissed. SWIM did not intend to say that SWIY shoud replace one for the other. In a bad case SWIM would not do more than 2 doses(450mg)a week for more than 2 weeks. Spreading a smaller dosage out over 3 days like Nahbus did also seems fine.
Originally Posted by Nahbus
So SWIM tried this 3 days in a row during his withdrawls. Each time he took about 200-300mg.
It really did almost cure him of all withdrawl symptoms. I mean, his symptoms mainly were just uneasy/restless body (ESPECIALLY when trying to sleep), and no energy.
DXM really helped, though!
Glad to have helped someone not feel that horrible feeling. Knowing that actually really makes me feel a little better myself!
Its kind of hard to get addicted to DXM anyways. K is a lot more addictive and even it doesnt really hold a candle to opiate or stimulant addiction. This might just be someones opinion tho. Swim found it does in fact help with a lot of problems like opiate wd as well as when one is fiending for something and cant score (not just opiates).
DXM can be just downright horrible. SWIM's taken 16 Coriseden Cs(25mg I think) before, which would be 400mg, and felt like he was literally dying. I suppose this would change one's focus from the withdrawels to simply being scared for one's life.
Taking Coricidin for recreation is asking for trouble - your friend is lucky to merely think he was dying. Do a search on Coricidin health risks and you'll see what beautiful assortment of unpleasant and life-threatening effects it provokes - mainly due to chlorpheniramine overdose and synergism between chlorpheniramine and DXM.
One should never resort to switching an opiate addiction to a DXM addiction. If done properly (correct dosage, no infected needles, etc.), opiates are many times safer than DXM.
It's OK if one takes large amounts of DXM to kick opiates or to get through a day of withdrawal until opiates are available again. But long-term use of DXM is much more harmful than opiate addiction.
Swim found out the hard way this is correct.Swim discovered this past summer that dxm does delay opiate withdrawal however it does not cure it by any means.Swim was foolish enough to spend a week on dxm.Well after that week was over not only did swim have to put up with opiate withdrawals but with the very nasty after effects of a week on dxm.Swim felt poisoned and sick all at once.It was unpleasant to say the least!
I really don't care much about DXM, i just thought I'd ask.
I don't get why no one here ever wants to answer a question. I mean, everything discussed here can be found somewhere else on the net or by using the search engine (pretty much), so what's the point in even having this place and making posts?
Howdy, Swim's doctor screwed up on his refill and he's afraid he might have to go a few days without Morphine(130mg/day). He knows that DXM has cross tolerance with Morphine so it seems like DXM could fill at least some of the opioid/mu/K receptors. What do you guys think and how much should Swim takes? SWIM UTFSE, but he's still sorry if this has been discussed
P.S. Swim has been reading through this forum almost everyday for a long time. This place is great and has a lot to learn.
Swim would imagine it would compensate, a little for a Morphine WD. Swim recommends Kratom in the event such a thing were to happen again. Swim recently used Kratom to compensate for Morphine. Swim said it wasn't fun, he got a little "high" from the Kratom; however, it didn't last as long as it normally would. Kratom blocked the really bad effects of serious opiod withdrawal, no cramps, headaches, nausea, etc.
While kratom blocked the worse WD symptoms, it didn't fully block withdrawal. Swim had a hard time going to sleep (largely because he didn't have nearly enough kratom readily available); Swim also had restless leg for a few days, not to mention a psychological craving for Morphine. Either way, having gone through full-fledged Heroin withdrawal several years ago, Swim is ever thankful Kratom exists, and is still legal in most places.
Trust Swim, Kratom is the best bet for preventing/lessening serious opiod withdrawal aside from going on the street to get something that works better; or, paying a ton of money for professional help (something Swim had to do with his H withdrawal). DXM probably would help; but, it seems as though it is too much trouble/dangerous to use that to compensate.
Kratom goes to the MU opiod receptors; and, as Swim said, Swiyou would probably get "high" on top of it all. Swim can't stress getting a large supply of Kratom enough, it is essential. Swim only had 28 grams; and, he had to severely ration it, meaning had he had a large supply, he could have used it frequently enough to essentially eliminate ALL physical withdrawal symptoms. Swim believes switching from morphine to Kratom is tough because Kratom is like a "tease" compared to Morphine; however, if one can get past the psychological WD of morphine while using Kratom, Swiyou will be fine.
Swim thinks EVERYONE that uses opiates frequently should have a large supply of Kratom readily available, it could save Swiyou a LOT of pain and trouble. Perhaps Swiyou should also stock up on DXM just in case; but, Swim thinks Kratom should be priority numero uno for Swiyou. Sorry Swiyou had to (presumably) go through the WDs, if not, good. Cheers!
It is "cheating," however, much better/safer than turning to a street dealer to score some H or even oxycodones ("oxycontins"). It would effectively get rid of any sort of withdrawal, as Poppy tea has Morphine and other full-fledged opiates in it (codeine,etc); but, it wouldn't get rid of a tolerance. If anything, it may make Swiyou more addicted to the tea than a prescription.
While a prescription to Morphine is easier/purer, it is only a prescription to morphine. If one were to take poppy tea, he/she will be ingesting more than one addictive drug. Codeine is nothing compared to Morphine; but, combine the two and other alkaloids in poppy tea & one gets a very unique and pleasant effect.
Swim's concern is of your friend creating a cross-tolerance. Perhaps Swiyou wanted to make his/her morphine treatment more effective, as it used to be; and, he/she decides to give poppy tea a try as a booster. It would work in the short term; but, it would be hard to resist continuing it. Not only would it prove to be very addictive (in all likelihood), it would also prove to be very dangerous; and, all the negative effects of opiate usage would surface (as high dosages of opiates create problems).
If Swiyou were able to avoid EVER mixing the two, Swim sees no reason it can't be used as a substitute to eliminate withdrawal. If Swiyou is legitimately suffering in a manner requiring Morphine, then Kratom wouldn't be a good substitute. While Kratom can provide Analgesia, it wouldn't be on par with Morphine (though Kratom's active ingredient is 17 times stronger than morphine, there just isn't nearly enough of it).
At worse, Swiyou should have some Poppy Pods on hand in case something happens to the medication. If Swiyou has a pet, who knows, it may eat it , the kids may decide to dump it down the toilet, the wife may decide she's got a bad cramp, the list goes on forever of unlikely but potential situations where Swiyou will find himself/herself SOL. Point being, if one has no intention/serious desire to quit, then one should be prepared for some eventuality. Swim has realized over the years that while such occasions are rare, they happen; and, Swiyou will find himself out of a drug he's dependent on in ways one could never have imagined, then what!?
All users of ANY drug that creates physical dependence should have some safeguard if they don't intent/desire to quit. If Swiyou doesn't suffer from Chronic Pain or something, stepping down from a prescription to morphine to poppy tea to Kratom is feasible. It could prove to be quite beneficial to get rid of some of the tolerance. It would make the drug more enjoyable; and, it would also mean Swiyou wouldn't need as much for a good while. Swim highly recommends having something safer than Heroin or Fentanyl available to fall back on in the event of some mishap. In all likelihood, something will happen again; and, it will be completely unexpected, then Swiyou will find himself in a terrible position. Swim asked me to tell your friend good luck; and, hopefully your friend will always be careful. Cheers!
Dead thread I know, but I read it yesterday so someone else still will.
Found myself with nothing for the first time in a year or so after legitimate use of 40-80mg/oxycodone per day. Always was able to find some somewhere during outages before but this time the area was dry and I got scared. I've been through w/d before and remembered how horrible it was - honestly wouldn't wish it on my worst enemy. My w/d are always the same - cold sweats, shaking, unbelievable psychological discomfort and restlessness/anxiousness, thoughts of using literally every 2-5 min, diarrhea, and restless legs syndrome. Also sometimes a feeling of my muscles gently being pulled from my bones.
This time I knew what to expect of course and planned early. Went to urgent care and got some tramadol (only 24 of them) and weaned my self very quickly - high doses till the next to last day I took 4 then 2 on the last day.
Dont worry, this doesn't change the story because tapering so quickly did absolutely nothing and w/d hit me like a brick at 5:08 am the next day. Immediate fear about the day and what I was about to go through. Had to work a double that day from 8am - 7pm. Hell. Spent a good combined hour of the day calling everyone I knew, even old old contacts trying to find something. No dice.
So I got on this forum and found the posts about DXM. After reading a dozen posts and also studying erowid and even reading one peer-reviewed academic paper on the help DXM could offer for w/d, I ran straight to the store on my way home and grabbed a bottle. I decided 100mg was good to start. I weigh 150lbs and am not that heavy of a user compared to other people so i figured that was plenty.
An hour later my symptoms were reduced by I'd say 50-60%. Was less concerned about finding something, restlessness was mitigated, and i just generally felt better. Not too dissociative really, no out-of-it feeling. Just an easing of symptoms. What do you think my next thought was? "More. 50-60% ain't cutting it." When i got home, i immediately slammed another 50mg. Figured that would do.
You know how when you do acid or shrooms, after like 30 min you're thinking, "i don't think this is working. I better take more." So you do, and 10 min later it hits you all of a sudden and you regret taking more? Yeah. I wasn't smart enough to think about this. After 30 min of the second dose, i was definitely feeling a bit dissociated but still not good enough. 70% reduction in symptoms. "Better take another 25mg and I'll be good, but that's it."
When i was a kid we used to "Robo-trip" or do "triplets" (coricidin) at really high doses, third plateau or so and i instantly got terrified i was gonna start a ride to plateau 2. No good. I have a 2-yr-old at home and am a very good father, never been out of it in front of her before and while her mom was here to do most of the heavy lifting, i knew if i started a trip I'd be useless and have to confess my mistake.
The anxiety of the impending trip was driving me nuts. Now my w/d symptoms were completely gone and had changed to that horrible place right before an acid trip when your heart is pumping, you think you have to poop but you don't, sweaty palms, checking waving hands for tracers, etc. Now im thinking, ok, this sucks, but pretty soon ill start tripping and at least I can try to get some enjoyment out of it. But that never came. No visuals, no laughing, no trippy hippy fun. Just pure, agonizing anxiety, restlessness, sweating, no chance of sleep, and terrified cause now I know I have 6-8 more hours of this coming.
After an hour or so I couldn't stand it anymore. I popped a few Benadryl and laid down in bed, got as comfortable as I could, and watched old episodes of Seinfeld, which comforts me. I finally passed out around 10:00 and woke up 15 min later with my body vibrating very very slowly, like the cyclic feeling from an old magic fingers bed. Freaked me out. Looked around expecting OBE but nothing - still just discomfort, no trip.
I went downstairs and popped a few more Benadryl, smoked a cigarette, and laid back down. Finally passed out two agonizing hours later.
I woke up at 8am next morning, which surprised me as during w/d I generally wake up at 5am on the dot. I felt cine when I woke up and w/d diminished to 30-50% of the day before.
So that's my experience. Hope it helps someone out there. The lesson I take from it? Smallish o/d of DXM definitely helps with w/d. But don't overdo it. The purgatory between w/d and full trip is way, way worse than the w/d themselves. Give the DXM some time to kick in before you try more - TRUST me. We used to take 600-1000mg and feel AWESOME. 175mg does not produce the same effect to a lesser degree. It just plain sucks.
I recommend trying the DXM at a low dose and just deal with even a 50% reduction in w/d. Isn't that better than 0%? Yes. And it is definitely better than overdoing it and hating every second.
Best of luck my friends. W/d suck hardcore and my last recommendation would be for people in my position: Legitimate users who have high tolerance and need to take extra for pain, and therefore run out sometimes; Try small doses of subutex or suboxone. It does, indeed, work for pain at small doses (Under 8mg/day) but does not work for pain at high doses. Weird I know but look it up. I traded a friend straight across, my opiates for his subutex for a few months and it was bliss. Long lasting pain relief with no need to up my dose. If you get it from a doctor for withdrawals they will prescribe up to 16-32mg/day and you can take less for your pain and build up a surplus and never run out.
Take it from me, it works. I hope you feel better, from the bottom of my heart. Needing pain killers and yet wishing you didn't and could get away from them sucks, but adopt the harm reduction strategy: If you have to take them, reduce the harm it is causing you in any way you can rather than trying an unsuccessful endeavor of quitting. Pain killers are a godsend for debilitating pain and are a miracle but you must be responsible.