Originally Posted by SK1TZO
Where I live they sell certain brand of cough syrup which contains 15mg of codeine
phosphate per 5ml of syrup. the bottles are 200ml so thats 600mg of codeine in each bottle
since it is OTC im not incriminating myself when i say that usually 450mg gives me a nice warm dopey feeling and sometimes even 600mg
but for a first timer I would suggest starting with 180mg and work your way up from there if you need to =)
Always remember you can always take more but you can never go back once you have ingested it .
I hope this post has helped
Indeed, there is 600mg codeine phosphate per bottle of Codeine Linctus BP, available OTC at any pharmacy.
However, if you are drinking the amounts you say, you are wasting drug
and money - codeine is one of those drugs
which has a CEILING past which one will be unable to metabolise any more; I believe, though don't quote me on this cos I haven't actually checked, that the ceiling for codeine is around 180mg. No point, then, in taking any more than that.
I should check on Wikipedia or somewhere like that.
But kudos for the HR advice anyway.
Whatever, you will find it there, or at least a link to somewhere that WILL tell you.
The codeine derivatives dihydrocodeine tartrate and dihydrocodeineone bitartrate (aka hydrocodone
bitartrate, unavailable in Europe since the withdrawal
of DICODID brand 10mg antitussive tablets in 2007/8 by Knoll) especially the latter, haven't got the same kind of ceiling, meaning you CAN take a lot more. Dicodid was Rx only, and dihydrocodeine is OTC only up to 10mg (M&A make that strength) or as some sources have it, 7.46mg, and then only when in combination with acetaminophen
), which is still max 500mg/unit in the UK, whereas in the USA, a more sensible policy - which does not prevent companies dosing maximum apap
when each 15mg hydrocodone requires only c.65mg max for any kind of synergistic effects - that has been reduced to 300mg. Acetaminophen is one of the most dangerois and toxic drugs on the market and I can not believe that it is available in such dosages and such quantities (UK max 24 tablets per pack, USA negates all the good done by max unit dosage by still permitting huge industrial size packs to be bought).
Hydrocodone was never sold in a combination here, but in the US I believe the only brand which does NOT contain the antipyretic is Zogenix ZOHYDRO, an SR formulation; and that drug, although only 6 x potency of codeine, is scheduled as if it were a STRONG, not MILD opioid
. It has to be made into a powder as fine as talc amd filtered to remove the excipoents and waxy substance which controls the SR mechanism.
We need it to be made available in the UK as there is NOTHING between dihydrocodeine and morphine
in the Formulary, yet it covers a degree of pain which many thousands suffer & for which even Oramorph - NOT a CD, but a POM (Prescription Only Medicine), not a controlled preparation of morphine sulphate, being considered too weak for that sort of scheduling - is TOO strong.
Gee's Linctus, containing opium
, is also OTC and gives a much more opiated feeling than Codeine Linctus.It may be used in larger quantity but care should be taken as respiratory depression is a possible danger at multi-bottle dosage.
J.Collis Browne's Mixture contains morphine hydrochloride, but not enough to be of any more than faint interest - a full bottle 200mL might stave off opiate
withdrawal symptoms for 6 to 12 hours, but little more.
So OTC would only cover the combination drugs within the set limits of dosage, Codeine Linctus, Co-Codamol, Co-Dydramol, Gee's Linctus and J. Collis Browne's. As well, of course, as seed pods of Papaver somniferum.
That's about your lot.
I don't recommend using seeds for making 'tea' as you require far too many, but Cooked Flake Opium may be evaporated from tea made with seed pods, blended to a fine powder in a food processor and the alkaloids extracted in water at low temperature which has been reduced in pH to around 4.5. Citric acid is mostly used for this. Cold Water Extraction is best for co-dydramol and co-codamol to get rid of apap and binders/fillers.
is not suggested as an option as, same as with tramadol
HCl, now rescheduled as a CD of Sch 3, it can cause seizures at higher dosages, in the case of tramadol, as little as 200mg.
laura714 added 5 Minutes and 2 Seconds later...
BTW apologies for plagiarism in a couple of aspects of that post - I used a post elsewhere by another British Isles resident for one piece of information and the estimated ceiling dose of codeine... somebody on anoyher forum whom I SHOULD credit, if only I knew more than that their name starts with a 'Z'! Sorry.