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SWIM wonders if it would be smart to grow opium in his garden, or possibly in his house. Can anyone give SWIM advice as to whether this is a smart idea, or just another one of those accidents waiting to happen?
Here's a little something I found in the Archive's
Several varieties of opium yielding poppies exist- Persian White has the largest bulb and subsequently highest yield. Another more common variety has purple petals with a white centre-don't know the variety name - its much easier variety to find than the white, but with smaller pods and a lower opium yield.
Papaver somniferum basically prefer cool nights and warm days and will stand slight frosts. It is possible to germinate seeds in summer using plant tissue culture processes and Murashige & Skoog basic medium- stick the cultures in the fridge until they germinate. I have no successful experiences with planting these on-possibly due to the short lifecycle of the poppy, but this could be a useful starting point for experiments where the object is to cultivate poppies year round. I have tried to stratify the seed in my refrigerator with a view to inducing germination for early plantings- this has not been successful, but has not seemed to compromise the fertility of the stratified seed in any way.
All poppies like sandy soils ( or at least well drained ones ) with a little bit of shelter and not too much shade. Prepare beds in advance by digging fertilisers and any claybreak leaving about six weeks between each dig. Cover the beds with mulch and let them sit for a month or so. You CAN fully mulch the beds, and sow into rows where the mulch has been completely removed to about 7cm away from both sides of the seed row. DO NOT MULCH OVER SEEDS OR MULCH TO THE STEMS OF ADULT PLANTS- this makes them susceptible to fungal infestations of the browning-off type!
Plant on or around Mayday by raking into prepared beds. Broadcast seeds or sow thickly in rows. Young poppy plants resemble lettuce seedlings. Stronger plants will become apparent at about 7cm high. Wait until about 10cm high and thin as follows:
Poppies DO like a bit of companionship, so thin around a clump of 2-3 strong plants. Two thinnings about four weeks apart will ensure that plants have enough 'companionship ' ( ie shelter, shade and whatever allopathic conditions favour clumps as opposed to individual plants. I tend to thin seedlings progressively, over a month or so, leaving only enough room for strong plants to grow into, without leaving vast spaces between plants. Poppies do not like to be moved and it is better to sow directly into beds than to transplant, which can result in stunted growth and a later, shorter flowering season.
Interplanting with ranunculus and/or anemone, which flower at the same time and have a similar leaf and flower formation, may reduce flower visibility: this is important in areas where cultivation of opium poppies is illegal.
Keep the beds well weeded ( poppies hate too much competition though shorter type groundcover weeds such as chickweed can keep the soil moist ). Keep the water up to them in dry areas. Opium poppies ( particularly the purple ones ) are weeds in many places and can stand a bit of neglect. For some strange reason the tallest and most vigorous poppies are often the ones that got walked on by accident in their youth.
The plants may look a bit weedy when the flowers start to happen, don't worry, flowering gives the plant a bit of a boost.
You will get a lot of thinnings: young plantlets which have been removed from the garden bed to make room for stronger plants. If you're keen you CAN make use of them. I have references which list young plants 10-20cm high as having up to 71mg/100g dry weight of alkaloids. This can seem insignificant until you consider that opium is only about 12% alkaloids, and you can end up with a kilo of thinnings or more in your home garden. I estimate a couple of grams of smokeable opium type extract can be extracted using methanol. And given that thinnings usually appear prior to flowering commencing, why would you waste a chance?
On the other hand you CAN drop the thinnings into hot water and allow to steep for 10 minutes, which produces a vile tasting tea. Opium tea, in my humble opinion, is f**ked. It tastes horrible, needs fresh flowers to be halfway potent, and does not store well. All alkaloids are apparently present in such a tea in roughly equal proportion to that which occurs in crude opium, but this improves the taste not one whit. Potency varies with opium tea: you can drink a glass and feel nothing, or drink a glass and discover in half an hour that you've had too much. Smoking O is a more immediate route and allows for better dose control. Smokeable O is also easier to store and has a long shelf life.
The alkaloids in papaver somniferum are present in the plant their pure form, and are combined with so called vegetable acids. Combined with acids, alkaloids tend to be more soluble than the free bases. An early method for the extraction of morphine involved addition of calcium chloride to the filtrate of opium 'soup'. The calcium would precipitate the calcium salt of these vegetable acids as a sort of soap scum leaving a crude morphine hydrochloride.
Opium varies in alkaloidal content from batch to batch, and between regions. The British Pharmacoepia 1954 lists Yugoslavian opium as the most potent at 15-17% alkaloid content, followed by opium from Turkey, Iran, and Indian opium was at the bottom of the list with a 9- 10.5% alkaloid content.
As soon as flower petals open, pull them away from the capsule to expose the green seed pod, slice the surface of the pods with a SHARP blade ( I find a Stanley blade best ) and either place seepage directly onto fresh marijuana which is then dried, or collect the exudation into a vessel ( eggcups are good ) and store to dry. This operation is best done in the early morning- I've found that yields decrease as the temperature rises.
Another method is to slice the seed heads and wipe the opium onto cigarette papers. You can pull the dried opium latex away from the paper to store in airtight bags at a latter stage.I've found opium is best stored in a dry environment- can't remember whether its hygroscopic or not, but keep it dry for best results.
In a large harvest two layers of extract will form from the opium seepage. Separate the two layers if possible- it may be possible to do this at harvest stage especially with the Persian White variety as the two layers have distinctly different weights- one can be used to enhance the potency of heads or leaf, and the other is a high grade opium product best appreciated on its own.
Discard all sliced poppy heads as trash: they are a legal liability and should they be found a charge of cultivation can more easily be proved. For economy's sake, you can also use the weep at both the edges of the cut stem- best taken by wiping straight onto fresh dope leaves. It's not high quality yield from this cut, but hey, why waste it?
Resist temptation and save the first, last and largest heads to ripen without slicing for next year's seed. You can improve your strain over time, selecting for first, last, largest, most potent, whatever. I have not experienced problems with the strain 'running out' of genetic material as a result of inbreeding, as can happen with pot, or corn, or lotsa other stuff. This does not mean its not a potential concern, and ALWAYS take a chance and outbreed your variety: note results of any improvements and conserve your seed stocks.
You can reslice yesterdays pods if you choose to keep them, though I've found the best way to increase yields is to remove spent flowerheads at the base of the main stem or where the flower stem joins to a larger branch- this encourages new flowers to form. Leave only the capsules you intend to save for seed.
Flowers continue until end October/start November. Usually pod sizes decrease with the age of the plant- though this is not always the case with transplanted poppies. Keep the seeds from your best pods ( if you think that you have enough seed to select for yield ) or just keep the seed from any old pods ( this is a strategy for preserving genetic variance and is the better practice in small crops ).
Poppy seeds are VERY tiny, shake or crush the seed pods and remove any non-seed trash for best storage. Place in an airtight jar in a cool place, use one of those wretched drierite sachets you find in vitamin pill jars to absorb moisture, in my view seeds will remain viable for no more than three years even under optimum conditions. So take care to take fresh seedstock for every year
Poppies are VERY easy to grow either indoors or out.Growing indoors can be done quite nicely all year round under simple flourecent lights or CFL's.Growing poppies Hydroponicly also helps with a quicker harvest as well as makes it a bit more intresting than just growing in dirt.Feel free to PM SWIM if SWIY has any questions or problems.Good Luck!!!! Happy Gardening!!!
yea swim would figure afghanistan would have the most... but then again thats mostly cuz the usa decided to take that bitch over so we have a green room to grow our shit.................. fuck the u.s.
If swiy grows them outside, swiy should be very careful should he consider harvesting the opium. The marks left on the poppy pods can be very noticeable, even from a distance, as the scars tend to turn a very dark color against the lighter colored pods.
yea swim would figure afghanistan would have the most...
No illicit Opium growing country will ever be able to reach the heights set by commercial opium growing countries and their breeding programs.
The answer would actually be a certain strain of Papaver Somniferum l. The "Tazzie" or Tasmanian Purple, a commercial strain bred specifically for high alkaloid content for the medical industry is the leader in potency with Morphine content percentages reaching 35% of total alkaloids but consistently staying at around 30%.
Originally Posted by bknowles27
but then again thats mostly cuz the usa decided to take that bitch over so we have a green room to grow our shit........
Yep, U.S. motives are questionable at best.
Originally Posted by bknowles27
.......... fuck the u.s.
Couldn't agree more, fornicate her forcefully in the ear . . . .
To get around what? Does swiy mean 'noticeable signs of harvesting'?
Never heard of getting more latex via this method, maybe because it's less invasive to the plant allowing increased harvest?
SWIM has read that this method makes the pod look less tampered with. He's also read (from gecko, i think) that pin pricking allows the latex to seep out more as it's less likely to seep back into the cut... The logic being that a pin prick cut is smaller than a razor cut. SWIM is no expert though.
I've heard using pin pricks is a good way to get round this, with the added bonus of more latex.
Lacerated is lacerated. If one was thinking that they could get off by saying to the nice policeman that "but they arent lacerations, they are pin pricks so its OK" then one would be severely mistaken. A purposefully bled pod is all they need.
Pin pricking does not produce more latex, SWIM has been doing this for over 20 years and has seen almost every way of bleeding imaginable. If done right lacerating with a razor blade and some blue-tac can be the most efficient way of doing it if the blade is in an experienced hand. However, using a pin can be more efficient and cause less problems in the inexperienced hand. Bleeds do not recede into already present cuts, it is easier not to pierce the pod wall because the pin can be set at depth. This can end up yielding more Opium but only because of reduced losses and not because the pod will bleed more.
Last edited by samuraigecko; 18-02-2009 at 03:41.
depends on what you want to do. Of course you can just simply dry it and smoke it up, but get a little created. Morphine isn't the most complicated thing in the world, there's a thread somewhere on converting O to morphine. Then you could even make some dope from the morphine. THE POSSIBILITES ARE ENDLESS!
1] harvest the Opium by bleeding.
2] Harvest the poppy pods themselves.
3] smoke Opium as is or further refine into a CFO.
4] do not bleed pods and just harvest pods for refining into CFO or just to use as a tea.
5] harvest bled pods to combine with the bled latex and make a CFO ot tea or laudanum.
[quote=samuraigecko;547958]Lacerated is lacerated. If one was thinking that they could get off by saying to the nice policeman that "but they arent lacerations, they are pin pricks so its OK" then one would be severely mistaken. A purposefully bled pod is all they need.
Swim was meaning in the sense that a neighbour or passer by wouldn't notice the pin pricks as much as big score lines. Nosy neighbours can be a bastard...
SWIM grows opium in SWIMs frontyard in a garden 10 feet from the road. No problems. The other year SWIM was in his garden sorrounded by tennis ball sized pods harvesting them and a motorbike cop drove by and gave SWIM a long-hard stare, SWIM just smiled and nodded. SWIMs neighbors see SWIM in the garden tending his plants, compliment SWIM on his huge poppies. But SWIM lives in great white north, no one cares. SWIM even grow 2 marijuana plants and a coca tree in front garden feet from the road, no one cares, not even police.
Crash; you dont "convert" opium into morphine, you extract it. But its wasteful, massively wasteful.
And let me tell you, unless your growing a half acre or more of poppies, extracting alkaloids is a HUGE waste. You will lose ALOT of the alkaloid content and will end up basically getting 1/5th as many doses from the crop.
Just cook the opium, run it through a bubble bag (search for hash bubble bags - SWIM uses 73micron bag), and then take chunks of opium from the gob and drop into hot water, let cool, and drink.
Pod tea is NASTY, SWIM cannot stomach it, but when SWIM cooks out the latex, and then makes tea using the opium latex (dissolving a chunk into hot water), it has very little taste and is much much better. SWIM uses opium tea for hardcore 6-hour sexcapades. Wanna f**k for hours on end without busting your load? One word; opiates. Wanna impress a new chick with a 6 hour f**kfest? One word; opiates. Wont impede the ability to pop wood, but makes it impossible to climax until it wears off, guaranteed 6-hour+ of fun with opium tea. Not long enough? Methadone, 24 hour f**kfest. Too long? Fentanyl, 1 hour f**kfest. Customize your duration.
SWIM has made morphine base, morphine HCl, and diacetylmorphine, and SWIM tells you its a HUGE waste of a crop unless you are growing very large amounts and intend to SELL the product. If its personal use and a small crop, just cook out the opium and make tea with it. This gives you the most bang for your time. DONT smoke it, thats another huge waste. SWIY will get much more mileage out of SWIYs crop if SWIY just cooks the opium out and makes it into tea, or make pod tea if you can handle the nasty taste but its a more enjoyable experience in SWIMs opinion to cook the opium out and use that putty for tea.
Lancing is also a waste if for personal use for tea. If SMOKING, then lance so you dont need smoke as much. After lancing, chop the pod and boil it out to get every last drop, but dont mix it with the lanced opium as the lanced opium is stronger thus better for smoking unless you wanna spend 2-3 hours smoking opium just to get a decent buzz. Just chop the pods off, cut them into 4-8 pieces, throw em in the pot seeds and all. Once the plants done, rip it out, cook the entire plant (roots, leaves, stalks, etc.).
SWIY can also harvest before pods by harvesting meconium via sepal, stalk, and leaf lancing. Meconium is opium not from the pod. Sepal lancing is especially decent yielding. The sepals are the "covers" over the bud before the flower forces them open. The plant will drop the sepals, so lancing them before hand will have little impact on the pod. Just be careful not to cut too deep into the sepal or you will cut the pretty flower SWIMs also gotten decent amounts of meconium from leaf and stalk lancing.
Err, extensive studies have shown that the alkaloid content (especially the Morphine and Codeine content) is almost non-existent in the latex (sap) of the leaves and stem.
So small in fact that one would need the latex of about 100 plants worth of leaves and stems to even reach the level that one pod has.
The same studies have also shown that Morphine is pretty much exclusively produced in the ripening pods alone. The pods produce this "sap" as a means of defense from predators which is why it is pretty much only produced in the pod.
Trying to bleed stems and leaves is useless, do not bother doing it unless one wants to damage perfectly good plants.
Opium from cooking can be just as potent as Opium from laceration (when done properly, it can actually be stronger).
Some people get more of a buzz from eating / drinking the Opium. This is usually because they have high Codeine content strains. If one has a known high Morphine content strain they will do fine smoking either freshly dried latex or CFO.
SWIM himself combines both the latex and his freshly dried pod matter into the pot to make his CFO. He believes that this way Everything is extracted.
Even in S.E.Asia and other Opium producing countries, they "cook" their Opium. In fact there is only 1 mountain tribe (in Laos SWIM believes) that does not cook their Opium before sale or use. (As is mentioned many times over SWIM got this knowledge first hand while there, he goes back there often, and recently was there again . . in the mountains . . in the mountains).
SWIM believes that with his new Ethanol / CFO TEK that he will surpass most peoples expectations of even the best Opium or CFO.
Last edited by samuraigecko; 22-02-2009 at 04:48.