Hi Jungledog, I really appreciate your input and experience with addiction. I am having different experiences than you. I am very connected to my kids and know their ins and outs high or not. I am in no way advocating that substance abuse is suitable as a parent, but I don't believe that it's impossible to be a pretty functional addict as I have been (and many are). With that being said, this is day 6 and I relied heavily on kratom. Today is the first day without any and I'm experiencing body temp inconsistencies, but nothing like the first night off of pills. I'm going to stick this out. I don't want a pill addiction anymore (haven't for a while). Today I ordered more kratom online and I'm wondering if I should cancel the order since it's clearly another thing to get so easily hooked on. The scarey part is the level of relaxation and well-being it provides trumps pills. Yes-I said it. The high is better than norcos, lasts longer, and is always available. I'm trying to get clean not switch from one substance to another. As far as the pills - 6 days clean. Very happy about that, but I'm not out of the woods. The kratom made life bearable to get to this point, but my body is talking to me without the kratom. I have no choice but to listen and determine where I really am withdrawal wise. I do feel as though kratom is the lesser evil for now. I won't promise that it won't arrive in the mail after today's order...I'll keep you guys posted.