Opiates to Kratom to Nothing. Find out what happens. - Part 1

By heisenberg76 · Feb 6, 2015 · ·
  1. New member, first post.

    A little background. I am a fit, 38 year old professional male. I started using pills in 2006. My DOC is Roxicodone 30mg (Blues). I snort Roxis (80% of the time) and eat them. My usage ranges from 30mg to 60mg a day. I have never taken more than 60mg in a single day.

    Over the years, I have gone through WDs multiple times. Several times I used Suboxone but only as a short term detox solution, never for maintenance. I have also gone cold turkey but only from relatively brief binges (around 60 days of continual use). In those cases, a rapid taper of my DOC, coupled with some low dose Benzos allowed me to get clean. I am typically feeling pretty good by 96 hours.

    Over the last couple of years, I have used Kratom many times. I don't like it with pills. However, on its own I find it to be stimulating and useful for eliminating any opiate hangover symptoms: anxiety, chills, dysphoria, etc. I have tried extracts and ground whole leaf Kratom. That said, I have never used it to do anything more than either give me a recreational boost when I am abstaining from Roxis or to bridge days between using pills. I have wondered how it would work as an opiate detox solution.

    Many posters have used Kratom for Opiate WDs. That said, it seems hard to find stories where people actually explain how they felt when they went from Oxy to Kratom to Nothing. Is there a residual withdrawal? How bad is it? How long does it last? Etc etc.

    I plan to document my journey, providing updates frequently, so anyone interested can gauge their own interest in using Kratom as a detox tool. Again, the goal is to use Kratom to get clean not as a replacement or long term maintenance solution. By clean, I am not suggesting I will never use pills again. I just mean being clean for a period of months without using Opiates or Kratom post detox.

    My latest run started on October 11th. The first couple of months I averaged 30mg of Oxy a day. From that point through today, the average daily dose has been 45-60mg of Oxy a day.

    This morning I took my last 30mg Roxi at 8am Eastern. I also installed a time tracking app on my iPhone. I want to document my WDs to provide a timeline of symptoms and severity. I plan to use ground whole leaf Bali Kratom to mitigate the WD along with low dose Benzos (Xanax, Valium, and Ambien). I want to see if Kratom use during WDs allows me to get clean easier OR if it merely extends the inevitable. My guess is it will end up somewhere in between. One has to pay to piper eventually, but I wonder just how much. I am going to be smart about using Kratom only when needed and at lower doses with time to attempt to jump off and have the smoothest landing possible.

    I am committed to detailing everything so anyone following this thread can really determine if Kratom makes sense for detox or if you might be better off just "toughing it out." I welcome any feedback/advice as I move through this process. I know the Members of this forum bring a lot of knowledge and experience to the table and I hope to learn a lot.

    It has been 3.5 hours since my last Oxy. Let the fun begin. I will post an update later. Wish me luck!

Comments

  1. Jungledog
    I went from oxy to loperamide to kratom. Had withdraw as I tapered down the loperamide and mild withdrawal as I tapered down kratom. I was able to step off a slow taper of kratom with minimal symptoms. I subsequently than began taking the kratom again for my legitimate pain. I think it is better option than oxycodone. Not too worried. If I want to stop, I will just taper down. I dropped my dose and spaced my dosing intervals further and further apart. It was almost NOTHING compared with cold turkey off 200mg of oxycodone plus morphine.

    Welcome and let us know how it goes!
  2. Cousin Merle
    Best of luck to you! I will be interested in following your journey. Are you planning on tapering down with the Kratom, or just "bridging" to it, then going CT? Many people report that tapering down the kratom results in minimal WD symptoms, compared to jumping off of it CT. I think there is a report on this site of someone who had been taking 100mg of Oxy for years, then switched to kratom. He took kratom for 2 years, then just jumped off cold turkey. In his case, he reported that method resulted in WD's that were about 20% as bad as Oxy WD.

    In any case, hang in there and keep us informed!
  3. wilfy1979
    How does 60mgs of Oxy compare to 240mgs Dihydrocodeine?
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