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Drug info - 4-fluoro-alpha-PVP (pFPVP) Drug Info

Discussion in 'Beta-Ketones' started by Rob Cypher, Sep 28, 2013.

  1. Rob Cypher

    Rob Cypher

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    Can anyone add information about 4F-PVP:
    names / synonyms
    molecule
    dose
    duration
    side effects
    legal status
    have there been any reported incidents with this compound?
    since when has this Research Chemical been available?
    stability of the molecule / compound

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    IUPAC name: 1-(4-fluorophenyl)-2-(pyrrolidin-1-yl)pentan-1-one
    CAS number: 57413-43-115H20FNO

    Some reports from lab subjects across the world:

    This substance is apparently very harsh on the lungs if someone were to inhale its fumes; so don't do that, obviously. Despite the appearance of a "4F" in its chemistry, it doesn't really seem to interact with serotonin receptors strongly as some had speculated. Some users have reported mild psychosis after extended use, so don't let that first report lull you into a false sense of safeness.

    Another report:

     

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  2. (NS)-M-Lo-Reason

    (NS)-M-Lo-Reason Titanium Member

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    My manticore recently relapsed on a-PVP and 4-FPVP (I like your pFPVP title because it doesn't involve that pesky - sign so that's what I'll go with).

    He was wired, and thinking the pFPVP would be worthless he prepped a shot containing large quantities of both (sidebar, why does a-PVP suck IV so much while MDPV was great?) and was surprised with a very scary and hypertensive rush.

    He tried the material by itself and found it wasn't as shitty as everyone seems to think, it is definitely less stimulating than a-PVP, but very similar. However, there was worrying chest pain afterwards that he never got from a-PVP, even when taking puffs off melted crystals the size of marbles. Plus the material was like wet clay (he only sniffed it) and the dose was slightly larger than a snorted dose of a-PVP (probably 70-80 mgs).

    I'm thinking someone who liked pyrrole cathinones would like this, but Manny also thinks it is potentially more dangerous due to the angina he got from a smallish single dose (not a binge).

    (NS)-M-Lo-Reason added 3 Minutes and 26 Seconds later...

    Also, I propose the name fluorovalerone. It's not totally descriptive but neither is pyrovalerone so whatever screw you ;).
     
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  3. thisoneguy

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    A friend of mine dosed on 4-FA and a-PVP while I was at home all day. She said she found it stimulating, and quite euphoric at the onset and for a duration lasting probably 2 hours, beginning at 9am She did it IV, approximately 20mg individually. She took the FA before the PVP and didn't notice much she said. The rush came when she took the 20mg PVP. She told me she thought it was a good idea not to use the whole device, but rather 3/4 of it and disposed the rest, because, she said, the intensity inside her began to build quickly. She was shaky initially, but became intensely focused.
    Watching her I could see this, and it reminded me of an NIH journal reporting rats administered with chemicals which behaved by licking windows of their cages. She wasn't licking windows though, but she was reading a single page of a book for quite a while. She seemed kinda stuck in time until she began fussing with other things around the apartment. She was purpose driven, focused on what she had in front of her, and not very talkative unless she had to be.
    She didn't want to have sex (because sometimes we do), which surprised me based on what i've read. However, her speech and words seemed to be concise and well thought, almost as if she had just read the whole book and was in the wake of stimulated articulation.
    She wanted to re-dose badly but she fought the urge well, for a while at least, then decided she'd keep the high going by insuffulating 10-15 grams for the rest of the day, at intervals of a few hours, until she decided to take some benzos around 11pm and go to her room.
    She sounded awake from the other room, i could sense, but for how long I'm unsure because I fell asleep first. The next morning she re-dosed before I woke and was ready to go about her day, getting in the shower. She said she slept for a bit, but woke up and didn't feel like sleeping anymore. She said she got 3-4 hours of good rest, and went about her day just as she would have any other day, high and focused, I'm sure.
    She said she got the chems mixed up and didn't know which was which, so she took the same amount of each at around the same times. Mentioning that the FA wasn't that great initially but still had her feeling good, she decided the PVP was much better so she just combined the two in a ratio (so I'm not sure if this fits into this category), and said it was better than the PVP alone. I'm not sure what to make of this, but for as intense the feeling as she described, she seemed to handle herself very appropriately.
    I wouldn't be afraid the next time she decided that was how she was going to spend her day, unless it was every day.
     
  4. JTC3889

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    So far my brother has sniffed about 300 mg in the past week of this substance, this method doesn't prove to be very significant and not as compulsive as a-pvp. There was some reward, as it was more euphoric than snorting an RC like ethylphenidate (another RC that he kept up the nose exclusively). He tried vaping it via foil (he still doesn't feel safe with an oil burner for perhaps irrational reasons documented in prior posts as well as the motivation he has to not be completely addicted to it the way he was with a-pvp). This provided a similar rush to the latter but less intense and smelled like bleach in a similar way. He instantly wanted to vape more but abstained even when his best friend began to pressure him to do more via that route (his friend spent the whole summer indoors vaping a-pvp literally, and my brother spent the better part of that year doing the same alone). He feels this substance is less compulsive than a-pvp, perhaps because of the ROA, but he feels it is the nature of the effects of 4fpvp as well. Overall, he feels that this substance is both less enjoyable as well as less compulsive than A-PVP.

    JTC3889 added 38 Minutes and 57 Seconds later...

    Any more speculation on the pharmacology of this particular chemical? Particularly the possibility serotonergic activity.
     
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  5. thisoneguy

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    The people that write these experience reports are not actual testers of these substances.
    They are salesmen attempting to build a reputation for research chemicals in an attempt to boost sales of their product.
    They are in no way real reports, and you should not believe these salesmen.
    Unless you plan to re-agent this chem, do not use it. And if you re-agent it, good luck.
    Best wishes for a safe future.
     
  6. JTC3889

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    Oh so I'm a sales rep? Lmao. You are suffering from stimulant psychosis, and beta ketones especially the "pvs" are notorious for it. U need help.
     
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  7. thisoneguy

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    Don't take it personally dude.
    You only know about as much as the next poster, and the next poster doesn't know much.
    Stimulant psychosis? Have you checke yourself, or were you too impatient to think about anything between your re-doses?
    It wasn't a personal attack, man. Though I fear for the public, citing your lack of impulse and emotional control in the development of a response to my hypothesis. Perhaps the stims got to you worse than your personal assessment has indicated.
    4f-pvp has done this to us.
     
  8. viator

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    the only post here that even remotely resembles a sales pitch is that first quote by Rob cypher.

    And it seems to me that a titanium member on this board would know better. I do have a question for thisoneguy: you mention your friend who was using for 4FA and PvP together. Was that to compare the effects of combining those two substances to the effect of 4f PvP?

    viator added 4 Minutes and 51 Seconds later...

    obviously I meant 4F-a-PVP
     
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  9. bluestar

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    If this substance (4-fluoro-alpha-PVP) is anything like alpha-PVP, users should demonstrate extreme caution. "Sharp" is how I would describe the high/low cycle. It may feel like the best thing for the moment to sniff a little more of it but once you feel a substantial euphoria, you will never be able to improve on it, so just enjoy the state of mind while it lasts.
     
  10. (NS)-M-Lo-Reason

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    You quite literally accused everyone here of lying. That is nothing but personal. And the only public I fear for is you and yours, because this is far from the only example you provide of the bizarre thinking and paranoid ideation that occur when people misuse stimulants, especially the pyrrolidinophenones. I really just felt sorry for you, but when you disparage my character publicly, it pisses me off. Find yourself in reality or stop posting here, we feel for you but it's not appreciated.

    Anyway, I didn't just post to say that, I want to ask the public what, if any, differences in pharmacology are attained when one exchanges hydrogens on the phenyl for other atoms and such. It seems with the N-alkanes like ethcathinone and methamphetamine that messing with the aromatic ring causes profound changes in activity, but my manticore has had the chance to compare a-PPP with pMPPP, and a-PVP with both MDPV and FPVP. He can say that there seems to be very little accomplished by altering the molecule in this manner, with the only difference he can detect being varying ratios of DAT/NET binding (MDPV seems to be less selective for DA since it doesn't cause the rapid and unavoidable psychosis that a-PVP does, or at least it takes much longer. It also isn't as reinforcing when vaped), while FPVP may have values more like MDPV judging by it's less euphoric and more "chilled out" nature.

    I may be way off base. So, what do people think is the merit of pasting fluorine onto the para carbon of every pyrrole cathinone and it's mom, or is it just to make the molecule legal?
     
  11. ianzombie

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    Really?
    They seem to have the experience down well for people who have never used the drugs before.
    What about other forums, are all experience reports on this site written by people who do not use drugs?

    Salesmen?
    Even though source discussion is against the rules and even though there are reports from all over the world, and even though there are things in place to monitor the attempted sourcing and sale of drugs on this site?
    Even though there is not a single link to a vendor site in any of these experience reports?

    Where does it stop?
    Is it only with research chemicals?
    If so then why do you not believe that every other experience report is not an effort to boost sales?

    Even though many are long term members?
    You really believe that they are here to drum up some interest in specific drugs?
    You honestly do not believe that people have experimented with these drugs, or is it just that those who have don't write experience reports?

    1 more question, most reports ive read about this chemical including all 3 in this thread do not paint it as a great drug, in fact they would put me off it. Not the sort of advertisement that people selling these drugs are looking for i would have thought.

    Of course you could be right, maybe people reporting on experiences with this drug and other drugs are trying to sell a product, but i find it hard to believe that everyone writing report are all doing just that to get traffic to vendor sites, especially as they would be losing traffic to their sites and giving it all to others.
    If we were to believe that everyone who writes an experience report was only trying to sell a drug then it would be pointless to have a site like this.
     
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  12. shimbo

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    I am on 4f pvp right now and dont feel good at all, a severe panic attack and feel like safocating!! any suggestions, am I dying or what?
     
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    If you are concerned for your health/life then get someone to bring you to a hospital or call a doctor. Have a friend come over to sit with you at the very least.
    You don't mention how much you have taken or any other information that might give people an idea if you are in danger or if you are just having a panic attack.
     
  14. shimbo

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    i started my dose about 3pm on sunday and i redose every one hour about 15 mg, now it's 6 am monday i could'nt sleep at all and feel a severe chest pain and panic. Does anybody experience panic with this drug? I also have mdvp, apvp, bk mdma and mdppp, does anybody suggest that i try one of these drugs to lower the panic attack?
     
  15. Rob Cypher

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    Panic is very common with extended use of PV-style drugs. However, if you aren't familiar with how those type of substances effect you I would probably err on the safe side and get myself checked out at a hospital. Especially if you are feeling kidney pains as well.

    Wow...all of those substances are just going to make it worse. Don't even try it.
     
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    Stop taking drugs and go see your doctor, or sit it out with a friend with you to make sure you are ok.
    Do not take more drugs to try and reduce the effects of the drug you are on now.
    I think you need to have a long hard think about your drugs use and your life.
     
  17. dr ACE

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    Benzodiazapines will help with the panic and anxiety your feeling right now, any type of stimulant will only make your symptoms worse. I would follow the advice of the above posters and get medical help right away before you slip into a psychotic state, which is very common with these types of drugs
     
  18. shimbo

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    Last week i recieved an order of rc's "4f pvp-bk mdma-mdppp-ur144 and am2201" I tried first the 4f pvp and liked it in the begining but after like half and hour i got severe panic attack so i took 50 mg serquel to calm my panic, I felt good after i took serquel and redosed and i stayed up all night till 10 pm next day, and at the end of the day i tiried the ur144 and again i got severe panic attacks, this is my first time experience with rc's and I dont know how to avoid panic attacks, I like to be energetic and i would like to know which of these chemicals are close in reaction to crystal meth? and how to avoid panic attacks with the ur144 and am2201? I will appreciate some response.
     
  19. dr ACE

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    To aviod panic try using low dosage of benzodiazepine along with the stimulant. I have`nt tried it but I would image 4f-pvp would be closest to crystal meth
     
  20. Rob Cypher

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    Seroquel also helps deal with panic issues, but it will put a damper on any dopamine-related effects that you're presumably looking for; so only use when you're ready to crash.