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Combinations - 5-HTP + Phenylethylamine HCL

Discussion in 'Nootropics' started by Flying Mind, Feb 5, 2010.

  1. Flying Mind

    Flying Mind Titanium Member

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    Dosage 2000mg PEA + 5HTP 200mg (daily)


    T+00:12 hr/min

    SWIM is really scared some what really intense. Extreme facial flushing, insane heart rate increase, head feels like its pumping insanely. Feeling like forgetting to breath. Face in being crushed with pins (completely numb). Feel like floating. Completely NUMB all over body. Feel oddly very relaxed though (too the extreme). Mind feels so clear. Thoughts and words come so easily and pressie.

    SWIM has heard many SWIY compare this PEA stuff to XTC. Unfortunately the only time SWIM dropped was on a SSRI so obviously has no idea how it feels.

    Trying to relax. But this is VERY intense.

    Feel like cant stop moving. Very jittery. Insane stuff to say the least.



    Well SWIM found this...

    SWIM thinks he will be fine... This is just really really intense.


    T+00:22 hr/min

    Feeling much better now. The insane heart-pounding rush is over.

    That's an understatement. Felt the effects withing freaking 5min after dosing.

    Anyway SWIM is much more relaxed now. Guess SWIM just wrote a half-ass experience report. Will update further.

    Again, as mentioned. SWIM feels better. However he is having difficulty understanding why/how people could feel PEA induces euphoria. SWIM just feels jittery. Face has cooled down and "pins and needles" not so intense now.


    T+00:35 hr/min

    Now that the initial anxiety from the intense "coming up" is gone SWIM does feel a slight mood-lift.
     
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  2. Nil_Miscreant

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    Phenethylamine and 5-HTP both exist endogenously in the body, PEA as a monoamine and 5-HTP as a naturally occurring amino acid. So there is no inherent danger in combining them, per se. Although phenethylamine is administered orally it temporarily heightens your bodies stress, by activating the Fight-or-Flight response, as is it's biological role when excreted from within the body in the body. This could have negative health consequences on the user when taken in extreme excess with any regulatory. That risk could be compounded by any prior physical defects.
     
  3. Flying Mind

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    Thanks SWINil,

    SWIM is much less in "panic-mode" right now. Maybe thats the " Fight-or-Flight response" SWiy speaks of. SWIY can't see how some people consider this a euphoric experience.

    (T+00:26 hr/min)

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    EDIT

    T+02:00 hr/min


    It's now been about two hours. SWIM can definitely say there's some mood-lifting afterglow. HOWEVER the initial dosage was a completely intense and very uncomfortable. Almost as if one is too comfortable and then begins to have signs of panic and over-anxiousness

    Sometime after one hour though SWIM is left in a better mood than before, not overly exaggerated but definitely not placebo.

    SO ...

    SWIM will conclude the actual "good" experience for him is only after maybe an hour and 30mins. Strange huh? SWIM is feeling really good now but not in the sense of being "high". Rather subtle tones of relaxation, contentiousness and maybe a little empathetic. All and all "good", very good.

    SWIM doubts he will put himself thorough that large dose at one time again. Possibly consuming small amounts throughout the day, e.g. adding X amount to a big water bottle and sipping throughout the day. This could avoid the nasty come-up SWIM went through.

    SWIM hopes this has somehow contributed to the better understanding of PEA.

    ThanksSWIY for reading!
     
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    Yeah SWIM doesn't really get it either. PEA just has to many peripheral effects and is to short-lived. The skin flushing, dehydration, just to many effects on peripheral nervous system. It's like taking racematic ephedrine or something.
     
  5. Flying Mind

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    DAY 2


    Theorizing the best effects (only desired effects) are only apparent after 1hr+ after initial ingestion SWIM is going to try something new...

    SWIM dissolved 1.5g of PEA in a 16oz water bottle. The contents were consumed over a time period of about an hour, sipping.

    SWIM has to got out later and it will be interesting to see if he feels any of the "good" residual effect experienced last night which only became apparent AFTER roughly about an hour after initial dosage.


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    T+01:15 hr/min JUST Finished consuming entire water bottle.

    SWIM has been experiencing all the negative "coming up" effects as he did last night, this "Fight-or-Flight" sensation(shaky, anxious, minimal facial flushing, etc.). BUT the effects are fortunately much more subtle.

    SWIM needs to leave somewhere in about an hour but will further edit/update experience in later time. Unfortuantly SWIM will be gone a good eight hours so this report will not be in real-time.

    (Will update experience later)

    ubeRAGEoUS added 441 Minutes and 55 Seconds later...

    T_07:20 hr/min

    SWIM has determined the effects following the nasty come up are most likely a placebo and that felt of the 5HTP rather.

    SWIM says this PEA maybe of use for trying with Selegiline (in appropriate micro-dosages) but alone seems pointless.

    ENd

    Some interesting tid-bit of info that fits nicely with SWIM's experience /opinion ...

     
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