Combinations - 5-meo-dmt and harmaline (RC Yage)

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  1. bman1

    bman1 Palladium Member

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    I have a friend also named swim who has some 5-meo-dmt and hamaline powder and wants to take themorally. How much should my friend I take of each? Should swims eat the harmiline first?
     
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  2. sunyata

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    The harmaline needs to be eaten first, 1/2-1 hour prior to consumption. 5-meo and Harmaline info from TIHKAL:


    (with 70 mg harmaline, 10 mg 5-MeO-DMT [0 min]). "I felt changes in pressure around the eyes at 18 minutes, and there was a floating feeling when walking. I had peaked at an hour and a half, probably at a plus three, with no visuals, no emotionals, no intellectuals, no negative, no positive. A little nausea. I am not sure why I am at a +++ but I am. By the 2 hour point I am coming down. At three hours, I noticed a complete change of character, the harmaline was beginning to kick in. This grew in intensity for several hours, with quite a bit of nausea. This was fully equivalent to 300 mg. harmaline alone, but without the physiological noise. At 12 hours I got a little sleep with a lot of dreams."


    (with 80 mg harmaline, 10 mg 5-MeO-DMT) "This was conceptually very active. Extremely rewarding. Remarkable difference from the harmaline alone, or the tryptamine alone, neither of which would have been active taken this way, orally."


    (with 150 mg harmaline, 25 mg 5-MeO-DMT [60 min]) "In about 15 minutes I began to feel the typical effects of 5-MeO-DMT, a gradually building emotion of solid, somewhat boiling, turbulent feeling. I began to feel like vomiting so I did so, several times. Waves of the inner feeling would approach completely removing my awareness of the physical world, but it never reached that point as it does when I have smoked 12 milligrams of 5-MeO-DMT alone. The experience was quite intense but I never felt a great deal of fear. I consciously debated whether or not to smoke some 5-MeO-DMT in order to break through this 'middle' level of experience into a complete transcendent state as I had experienced in the past. But the complexities of asking for the pipe and managing to smoke it seemed too much, even with assistance. I abandoned the idea.


    "I started to come 'down' into a more differentiated consciousness, and the first thing I felt was a powerful, aggressive sexual feeling. I was not wearing any clothes and I spent a long time, over an hour, writhing around, occasionally uttering phrases of one or three or four words of a very hostile and/or sexual nature. I remember saying I hated my sitter (a female) and God, but it was quite clear that it was the sexual/maternal image of the sitter that I hated as something that I desired and felt dependent upon while resenting that I needed something I did not have within myself. The next phase found me physically calm and quiet. Finally, after four hours, I felt sleepy and comfortable. I ate well, and was in a good mood.


    " I do not feel that taking a higher dose orally would necessarily have pushed me through to the state achieved by smoking because the onset was so, so slow. I don't think I'll repeat this combination."
     
  3. Nagognog2

    Nagognog2 Iridium Member

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    I have done quite a few experiments, as havemy collegues, in making home-brew versions of Yage with different combinations of beta-carbolines and 5-Meo-DMT. Including one with an extremely powerful beta-carboline I synthesized from scratch with a methoxyl attached at the 6 position.





    What I am curious about now is trying an oral preparation of beta-carbolines - mostly harmaline and harmine - with DPT in place of the 5-Meo-DMT. Has anyone out there ever tried this before? If so, what were the effects? Any caveats?





    Thanks!