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TEK - A Guide To Buying Kratom

Discussion in 'Kratom' started by ianzombie, Nov 29, 2012.

  1. ianzombie

    ianzombie Platinum Member & Advisor

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    42 y/o from ireland
    OK, Before i get started please note that there are strict rules on this site that cover the talk of sources and prices, so please keep these in mind and do not try and get around them. If you are unsure of them then read the rules.

    We get a lot of people asking about where to buy kratom, i personally get a lot of DM's from members looking for good sources. Obviously this is against the rules and we cant give links to vendor sites, but with a little knowledge of what to look out for and what to avoid, there is no reason why someone should not be able to track down some quality kratom, and just as importantly to find vendors who do not put kratom at risk.

    Why should i buy Kratom

    Kratom is the leaf of a tree (mitragyna speciosa) that grows in south east Asia, it has been used medicinally and recreation-ally by natives for hundreds of years.
    It has become increasingly popular in the west over the the last decade thanks to the internet and word of mouth, and most importantly because of its many uses which have benefited countless amounts of people.

    Kratom contains dozens of alkaloids, several of which work on the mu and Delta opiate receptors which leads to its opiate like effects.

    Kratoms alkaloid content can change from area to area, and during different times of the year even batch to batch. All the alkaloids are present in kratom leafs from different areas of growth, but the differing levels can result in slightly different effect.
    However, in most cases kratom works both as a stimulant and a depressant.

    In low doses kratom provides a stimulating effect, and in higher doses it provided a sedative effect.
    It also has pain killing effects, and can be used to help with anxiety.

    Kratom has been used successfully by many opiate addicts who have used it to help reduce the discomfort of withdrawals, or who managed to switch to from more dangerous drugs.
    While a kratom overdose can be pretty uncomfortable it does not result in death.

    It must be noted that kratom can be addictive when used daily and in large doses.
    Anyone considering its use should make sure that they treat it with respect.
    It is advised to leave a few day in between doses, to keep doses as low as possible and to keep from re-dosing during the day.
    It is also advised to avoid using enhanced products, which are usually powdered kratom leaf fortified with an amount of pure kratom alkaloids. These can raise a persons tolerance fast and people have reported the withdrawals from many of these products are on a par with many opiates.

    While kratom can be addictive, when used sensibly it has a lot to offer many people.

    Why should i not buy kratom

    Kratom can be easily bought on the internet. There are literally hundreds of websites happy to sell you as much of it as you want. However, while kratom can be bought with ease, it is up to the buyer to ensure that it is legal where they live. Remember, it wont be the seller that gets in trouble if it gets stopped and checked, and ignorance of the law is not a valid excuse.
    Kratom is illegal in:
    Australia, Denmark, Finland, Lithuania, Ireland, Malaysia, Myanmar, Thailand, Romania, Indiana
    There are possibly others not listed, make sure you check your own laws.

    You should probably not buy kratom if you have or have had issues with addiction. Kratom, like any other drug, is open to abuse. Very few people go out planning to get addicted to drugs, but it happens.
    If you do plan on using kratom (especially just recreationally) then make sure to leave 3 or more days between uses.

    What to look for in a vendor

    So you have decided to buy some kratom, what now?
    Well, you might think that you just find a vendor, place an order and that's that.
    No. Not so simple.

    There are Many things to take into account when buying kratom.
    Not only do you want a vendor that sells good quality kratom, you should also take into account how they advertise their products, because as some of us have already discovered, the way a substance is portrayed can have a very negative effect on its continued legality.

    There are many reputable vendors out there, but there are also a lot of people who are out to make a quick buck that have no concern about how their business is affecting the image of kratom.
    Kratom is being banned with growing speed across the world, and no one wants to see it getting any more negative attention than it has already gotten.

    There are several main types of vendors, lets start with the most visible.

    Head shops.

    For those of you who still have head shops in your area, they are walk in shops that sell a whole array of drugs and drug paraphernalia.
    The good thing about head shops is they are convenient. You walk in, you look at the products they sell which are usually in glass display units under bright lights. You buy what you want and then you are off home again.

    The bad thing about head shops (and the list is almost endless) is that they are often run by people who have little to no idea about the products they sell, other than they can make a lot of money from them.
    Head shops make most of their money from smoking blends and research chemicals (sold often as 'bathsalts' or similarly stupid names) and the rest of their products which consist of numerous ethnobotanicals are there mostly for impulse buys or to fill up space.

    When you shop for kratom in head shops you tend to find extracts, and enhanced kratom products, they are usually packaged in an identical fashion to the smoking blends and 'bath salts', and this is something that anyone who has any concern for kratoms continued legality needs to be concerned about.

    The media love to pick up on things like this
    In Ireland we had members of the press go into shops and purchase products, sniffing around for more scare story's to shock the ignorant public with. The people serving in head shops are often pretty ignorant to what kratom (and most other products) is and rely on snippets they have taken from the internet. "its like opium" or "its like a legal heroin" are the sort of stupid things i have heard people say. You can only imagine how this goes down with story hungry journalists.

    Head shops will usually also sell bags of kratom leaf.
    This is often cheaply sourced bulk kratom, its quality can range from bunk to good, but its a gamble.
    As kratom is not a big seller it can be left sitting in a display unit or under the counter in less than optimal storing conditions for long periods of time.
    Some of the kratom i have bough in the past from head shops felt and tasted like it had passed its expiry date by several decades.

    For the good of kratom and for your own benefit avoid them like the plague.

    Next we have the internet.

    Legal High websites

    These are the online version of the head shop.
    If anything these should be avoided even more than the head shop.
    While the head shop owner has to be concerned about the change in legality of certain substances, most notably synthetic cannabinoids and other research chemicals, the internet shop could be located anywhere, and its location can move to get around new laws. That packet of 100% legal everywhere smoking blend you have your eye on might contain something not so legal, but with a certain degree of seperation and anonymity the vendor is less concerned about any legal issues.

    What has that got to do with kratom you ask?
    Well a few years ago a product called 'Krypton Kratom' was a big seller across the internet (and a few head shops). It was marketed as a 50x Bali kratom extract, and it was pretty potent stuff. It matched Ultra Enhanced Indo (UEI) in strength, and many people wondered how this was possible.
    Well, after a lab report was released showing the presence of caffeine and O-desmethyltramadol, a research chemical, it all became clear. Unfortunately several people died from overdoses.

    These legal high shops also promote kratom in a way that is not going to do its continued legality any favors. And much like head shops there is no way of knowing how they source or store their kratom.

    Best avoided.

    Ethnobotanical websites.

    Now were starting to move in the right direction.
    Ethno stores will sell a wide range of herbal and plant products. From kratom and cacti to more rare and exotic botanical.
    They are often family run business, or by people who have a wide knowledge and interest in the products they sell.

    The owners are usually approachable and will give you honest information on anything you are interested in, and another plus is they usually like to throw in a few samples with your purchase. These shops rely on return customers and will show you other products that might interest you, unlike head shops who can rely on smoking blends to draw the crowds.

    The better of these sites will take great care to ensure that their products are stored, packaged and shipped in ways that will not result in damage or a loss of potency.

    However, they do not always carry the best kratom.
    I have used dozens of 'reputable' sites, but i have often been let down by the quality. The prices are not always great either, although many offer discounts for return customers.

    All in all they are a massive leap up the vending ladder when compared to head shops. And if you find a good site then stick with it, because they tend to take care of their customers and they are always grateful of some business.

    Kratom sites.

    Now we are getting somewhere.
    There are many sites out there on the internet that are dedicated to selling kratom, and only kratom.
    Some are good, some are bad and a handful are exceptional.

    Specialising in one product means that the owners can concentrate on providing the best quality kratom they can source. They can buy in bulk so they (should) offer at better prices than ethno sites. They also tend to offer more in the way of choice.

    A good vendor will offer a wide selection of kratom strains.
    They will often supplement this with several extracts, enhanced products and isolates.
    They will sell their products without the need for stupid tag on names (super, nuclear, killer etc)
    They wont package their products in ways that mimic 'legal highs'
    They will describe their process for storing and packaging and shipping.
    They wont advertise kratom in any way that will put its continued legality in jeopardy, such as claiming it 'gets you high' or that it 'cures' any illness.
    They will offer bulk discounts.
    They will offer sample packs, so you can try several different strains, at a reduced price.
    They will have excellent communication with customers.

    The list goes on.
    But basically the main things are they should offer good products and advertise in ethical ways.

    The one downside to a lot of kratom vendors, especially in American and Europe, is the prices are often still very high. There is something of a price fixing when it comes to the sale of kratom. Weather intentional or not, the difference in cost compared to buying from the source are often staggering.

    That brings us to the final option.

    Going to the source.

    Well every kratom vendor, be they head shop, legal high site, ethnobotanical store or kratom site, have to get their kratom from somewhere, right?

    Of course. The source!

    Over the last decade there have been more and more business popping up offering kratom in bulk to the European and American vendors. Back in the day there was only one or two, which meant that regardless of what re-seller you went to you were getting pretty much the same product.
    Now however where ever kratom grows you can be almost sure to find someone harvesting the leaves and ready and willing to ship them off around the world.

    The majority of these however will only deal with re-sellers, and only sell in large bulk amounts, but there are several now that have not only started to sell smaller amounts to regular kratom users, but they also supply their own sites around America and Europe.

    This has probably been a bit of a blow for many other kratom vendors, and i would imagine that many have had to drop their prices to continue to compete, but that's only a good thing for any kratom user.

    The best of these source sites will offer details on their business, from growing, to harvesting and drying, storing and packaging.

    But much like anywhere else there are also a few cowboys.
    You might see a fantastic deal that looks too good to be true, sometimes it works out, sometimes you might end up waiting in vain for that big box of leaves coming direct from Asia.

    Another issue can be customs.
    Even though kratom might be perfectly legal where you live, you still take a chance that it might get delayed, lost or even stopped on the boarder. It happens, its a gamble.

    If you find a good vendor at the source then stick with them, because it is the best way to the the freshest and cheapest kratom. And for many people who have found a good vendor it can be like discovering kratom all over again. There is nothing better than opening a bag of super smelling, freshly picked and powdered kratom leaf. And the difference in price can be staggering too.

    So that's the main options available.
    Just remember to do your homework when you are buying anything, make sure the site is 'reputable'
    And by this i don't mean 'well known', as well known does not always guarantee quality.
    Don't bother with reviews posted directly on a vendor site. They designed the site, they can put any sort of review on it they want, and its very unlikely they will post any negative feedback.

    There are plenty of sites out there on the internet where people discuss their favorite vendors and those that should be avoided.

    Other things to look out for when you have received your kratom. If there are stems & veins mixed in with the powder/leaf then don't go back to that vendor. S&V contains about a third of the alkaloids of the rest of the leaf material but it still adds to the weight, so you are getting ripped off. Good vendors will remove as much as possible, some sell S&V on its own at a reduced cost.
    Use your noodle, dont get stung.

    And take the time to read through the kratom forum before you use kratom. Its a fantastic ethno. It has a lot to offer, but when abused it can turn on you.

    Happy shopping.

    *Added 02-09-2013*
    There are actually a lot of great vendors, mostly re-selling the kratom from a couple of sources that provide great kratom at great prices.
    When you are new to kratom it can be hard to know what to look for in a vendor. There are literally hundreds of vendors on the internet and it is understandable that people new to the scene wont be able to spot things that can be the difference between good and bad, but after a while you can literally go onto a site and tell straight away if they are likely to be good or not. (this is not always a guarantee, but it has helped me. Keep in mind that while some bad vendors sell good kratom they should always be avoided if they market it in ways that do it damage, like selling it alongside research chemicals)

    Here are some things that help me choose to avoid a vendor.

    I tend to find out where the vendors kratom is sourced from when possible. If they dont like to say then i get suspicious.
    I avoid vendors that sell kratom in capsules as a rule, especially those that sell caps in medicine like bottles.
    I avoid vendors that break their kratom strains down into things like 'super' or 'top-shelf' or 'premium', i want a vendor that sells 2 types of each kratom strain, green or red vein, i expect it all top be the best they have.
    I avoid vendors that make no effort to remove stems and veins from their powdered kratom.
    I avoid vendors that use old information to describe kratom, such as that 1970's survey of thai people who used kratom. Its old, its irrelevant and its far from scientific.
    I avoid vendors that give similar old out of date and potentially dangerous information regarding dosage, such as the 'kratom users guide' that so many terrible vendors reproduce.
    I avoid vendors that sell kratom alongside research chemicals and/or who package it and advertise it in a similar way.
    I contact the vendor and get information on their kratom, a good vendor will have pride in their product and be happy to answer any question (within reason) Good contact is important when choosing a vendor.
    Finding reviews for the vendor somewhere other than their own site is one of the best ways to judge how they handle their business.
    While the kratom itself is important i would still buy the second best kratom i could find if the best was being sold by someone who did not have the slightest interest in kratom other than making some fast money from it.
    Do not presume that the first few vendors that you see at the top of the page after using google are the best. They are in that position because they pay to be, often they are some of the worst vendors out there.

    A note about Weighing Kratom

    One of the most frequent questions we get from people new to kratom who have just received their first order is 'How do i measure it?'
    There is only one correct way to do this and it is by using a digital scale.

    With a drug like kratom eyeballing might not seem like an issue, after all a few extra grams of plain leaf wont kill you, but it can cause problems with your tolerance. Maintaining the same dose will not only help you keep track of how much kratom you are using but it will help to ensure that you can keep track of your tolerance so that when you find the usual dose is no longer giving you the same effects you can (and should) take an extra long break to let your tolerance reset.
    The danger of not doing this is that if you keep raising your dose you are moving one step closer to addiction, an no one wants that.

    There are a million and one claims on the internet about how much kratom is in a tea/table spoon. This form of measurement has caught a lot of people off guard. I have read posts from people who think that a table spoon holds 5 grams, and as they 'only take 2 tablespoons a day' they are keeping their dose to 10 grams. When they have actually taken that same tablespoon of kratom and weighed it they are often shocked to realise that they have been in fact taking a LOT more than they believed. And they wonder why they are feeling Withdrawals when they run out!

    There seems to be a lot of confusion when it comes to measuring out Powdered Kratom using teaspoons, and the main problem is that people are just dipping into their cutlery drawer and using any old teaspoon they can lay their hands on.

    I have seen people claim that a teaspoon of Kratom powder weighs anywhere between 2 grams and 7 grams, and it could....if they are using a spoon they use to stir their tea with.

    Below are 3 'Teaspoons' that I pulled out of his cutlery drawer, as you can see the 3 spoons shown are of slightly different sizes, some are deeper than others and this is where people are going wrong.


    I presume that the huge difference between measurements that people offer is down to using any old spoon and also using Heaped servings of powder instead of leveled spoon servings.

    Now when it comes to measuring out a 'Teaspoon' of Kratom Powder you need to use a proper measuring spoon. Measuring spoons are standardised to specific volumes, they are used in cooking and when people weigh out a tablespoon they should use the specifically designed measuring spoon to do so. The powder should be levelled of flat at the top of the spoon.

    Shown below are a set of Measuring Spoons, they range from 1/8 TSP (0.6ml) up to 1 TBSP (15ml)
    The Spoon in the middle is the Teaspoon (1TSP - 5ml)


    But even using proper measuring spoons does not solve the issue.
    They might be convenient if you are only using the same batch and providing you have first used a digital scale to check just how much of your kratom fits into a leveled tea/table spoon, but not all kratom is the same.

    Different vendors provide kratom of different grinds. Some are coarser than others, some are as fine as baby powder. The difference in the grind can lead to a very big difference in how much you can fit into your spoon.

    Here are some photos for example.....
    In this photo we have 1 (measuring) teaspoon of kratom which weighs in at 3 grams.

    In this photo we have a different batch of kratom, measured with the same spoon in the exact same way. This one comes in at 4.5 grams

    Thats a difference of 1.5 grams between batches.
    Not a lot you might say, but consider you might be taking several 'teaspoons' a day and you think your getting 2 or 3 grams each time. It all adds up.

    Here is a photo of a (measuring) tablespoon of kratom which comes in at 7.7 grams. Now consider i have read people making claims that a tablespoon is 5 grams!

    And here again is the very same spoon with a different batch of kratom weighing in at 12.4 grams!

    These photos are shown not to give you an idea of how much you should expect to get when measuring with tea/tablespoons but just how much of a difference there can be between different batches.

    When you buy kratom for the first time make sure that you buy a small digital scale if you don't already have one.
    They cost next to nothing and they are an essential piece of kit for anyone thinking of trying out kratom.
    They help you keep track of how much you have taken.
    They help you make sure you don't accidentally raise your tolerance by taking too much.
    They are also a great aid when it comes to tapering down should you need to take a break to lower/reset your tolerance.

    So please ditch the spoons, or at least don't start by thinking they will measure out a certain amount. Only a digital scale will give you the correct weight.
    Last edited: Nov 13, 2014
  2. PillMan

    PillMan Titanium Member

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    27 y/o from Arkansas, U.S.A.
    You beat me to it. I was going to make a thread just like this but a couple of people told me not to because I would be breakingthe rules. But I didn't think I would be because I was not going to give away sources or anything.

    Good job though. I like it.

    PillMan added 1 Minutes and 43 Seconds later...

    Oh also, I read that some of these sites where people review there product wa made by some of these low quality vendors to make their stuff sounds good. So keep an eye put for that.
    Last edited: Dec 1, 2012
  3. ianzombie

    ianzombie Platinum Member & Advisor

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    42 y/o from ireland
    I will update the op with further information when i get a chance. Id like to include information on what type of kratom is bet to buy for specific needs, pain, anxiety, insomnia, fatigue etc. As well as information on what to avoid, and the differences between leaf, extracts, enhanced products and isolates.
  4. Sassy88

    Sassy88 Silver Member

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    Thanks so much for all the information.

    I have been using Kratom for about a year now and agree with everything mentioned on this post.

    I would like to add something; if one is planning on buying kratom regularly, it never hurts to try
    and have at least a personable relationship with your vendor ( once you find a good one ) and become a
    loyal customer.

    SWIM lost their job right before the holidays and came out and requested a small 15 per cent discount
    as a loyal customer, for a simple one time favor. And guess what ? They happily obliged.

    On another occasion, I accidentally overpaid one order by $ 10. They vendor caught this and
    said they would apply it to the account and throw in a little extra next time. Most vendors would have
    simply ignored the mistake, and taken the extra profit.

    Guess what they did ? On the next kratom order for 25mg, they upgraded it to a whopping 50mg !
    This was worth another $45 or so.

    Of course not all kratom vendors are like this; but keep in mind the competition is fierce right now.
    So many vendors will happily try to keep your business, as long as you are reasonable.

    When buying on the internet, it's so easy to become obsessed with finding the cheapest 'bang for your buck'
    so to speak. But as mentioned above, price is only part of the equation, This vendor I found is not the
    cheapest on the block. However, those extra few dollars has resulted in a great relationship with a vendor
    who cares about keeping good customers, and will go to great lengths to keep them. And they offer an excellent

    There are many, many people selling cheap kratom, but when purchasing kratom, one finds those extra few dollars
    are usually worth the extra cost. So when you find a good one, try to stay with them and you might end up with a
    great relationship. Good Luck !
    Last edited: Jan 24, 2013
  5. Fauny

    Fauny Newbie

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    Enjoyed the tek i was just able to identify what good sites you were talking about and ones that had super and such.
  6. PhiPack

    PhiPack Silver Member

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    I hope I'm not breaking any rules posting here but I am not naming anywhere specific. Another avenue to look for is brick and mortar herb shops and ethnobotanical shops. Not to be confused with head shops that advertise themselves with such but shops that selling culinary spices, teas, incense and other items.

    My first purchase came from a herb shop in my city that is very well known and has been around for 20 years. I was able to go in and talk to them about the tree and all the different strains. They had people on staff that were very knowledgable. After furthur digging, I found a ethnobotanical store that sold it as well that has a great reputation.

    As always, due diligence is wise and online reviews might be available for them just like any website.
  7. swerl

    swerl Silver Member Newbie

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    55 y/o from earth
    Australia was the 1st country to make Kratom illegal.

    Does anyone,or has anyone been successful obtaining a regular delivery method within this country?

    I'm obviously NOT wanting instructions on how to obtain it here....JUST whether anyone has been successful in actually,regularly obtaining some?
    Last edited: Jun 13, 2017
  8. AdaLo

    AdaLo Silver Member

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    Does anyone have recommendations on particular strains to buy? I am more interested in the stimulant effects than a sedative effect, I am on a budget, and new to Katrom. I think I found the place I want to buy from, but there are a ton of choices and it's hard to tell from the descriptions how they are different. Green vein, red vein, white vein? Country of origin? I have found some stuff that the seller acknowledges is not their best product, but it is very affordable and I could buy much more of it than I otherwise could. Would "not the best" still be "pretty good?" Thanks for any advice!
  9. ianzombie

    ianzombie Platinum Member & Advisor

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    42 y/o from ireland
    Green vein kratom tends to be more stimulating.
    Personally i would recommend you find a good vendor that does sample packs containing a little of each strain they sell.
    They often sell them for slightly less than regular prices, sometimes only permitting the purchase of one sample pack per customer.
    Its a great way to get to try each strain without committing to buy a larger order only to find out you dont like it.

    Green Malay is a personal favorite.
  10. profesor

    profesor Silver Member

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    You don't happen to live in NYC or some other megacity, do you? I've never heard of such a place, unless it is an Indian (and/or Pakistani) store or other ethnic food shop. The one spice store near me is actually part of a chain and unlikely to stock kratom although maybe I should check.
  11. al-k-mist

    al-k-mist Titanium Member

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    thanks, IZ.
    this is a good rule of thumb to follow for any ethnobotanicals, really, although kratom is the one often sold in headshops that hasnt become illegal yet
  12. Lokiisagod

    Lokiisagod Mercury Member

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    Thanks man!
  13. seaturtle

    seaturtle Titanium Member

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    Just want to say this guide really improved my life, I'm buying directly from the source and my Kratom costs have been cut in half, and it's the best Kratom I've ever had in my life. So much fresher than anything I've gotten from USA vendors. I cut my max dose down to 8 grams, but often take only 2-5 grams now since that's all you need with this fresh stuff. For example I only took 3.5 grams today, even though it's the weekend and I'd usually be eating 9-10 grams about now.
  14. ianzombie

    ianzombie Platinum Member & Advisor

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    Im delighted to hear it is paying off for people.
    There is a lot of over-pricing, and price fixing that seems to go on with American and European vendors.
    Unfortunately it seems that several of the (what are known as) more reputable kratom vendors seem to be able to dictate the price of kratom and others fall into line or get written off as being bad.

    A few years ago a source vendor broke onto the scene, and despite some other vendors trying their hardes to exclude him from their 'reputable vendor' gang, he started to get glowing reviews, not only for his products (which were super fresh, as you would expect) but also for his prices which showed just how over priced the marked up kratom being sold by other vendors was.

    Thankfully now there are more and more quality vendors working at the source and ive noticed other vendors prices going down. They have also set up many re-sellers that while not as good on prices (they need to make a profit obviously) sell great kratom at lower costs than most other vendors.
  15. MikePatton

    MikePatton Titanium Member

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    27 y/o from israel
    I can't stress the importance of buying wholesale here, the diffrence in price is shocking! Kratom is sold here BY THE GRAM and costs almost like a gram of weed, wheras I just ordered 800g from Indonesia for the same price I'd get less than an ounce in Israel! Un fucking believable. I've seen retail prices in Amsterdam, theyre better but still dont compare
  16. D-Talkz

    D-Talkz Newbie

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    26 y/o from U.S.A.
    I just got some Captain Kratom Xl.... It's a Zip lock pouch with 30 Capsules in it I don't believe it's a extract but it works there's 30 grams total. I have to take about 8 to get the desired effects. So a total of about 4 grams. I got mine at a head shop here Where I live, in the Us but it's all over the net. Don't get it confused with Captain Kratom mini I've read some bad reviews on those. Good luck and have a great day
  17. ianzombie

    ianzombie Platinum Member & Advisor

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    Did you even read the thread? :)

    Stay away from headshops and stay away from that crap you bought.
  18. MikePatton

    MikePatton Titanium Member

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    27 y/o from israel
    Yeah I bought 15x kratom extract pills from a local smartshop and they were crap. The capsules were filled with a tasteless powder and didn't do a damn thing, could have been corn powder as far as I know. Not to mention the rude price.
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  19. Dankitydankness

    Dankitydankness Silver Member

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    Sep 13, 2011
    24 y/o from Maryland, U.S.A.
    This is such a good post. I know I'm gonna find it helpful in my search for good kratom. I'm pretty sure the last batch I bought was some bunk. After that I decided its not worth the money to be searching for the perfect source. But this should make it so much easier. Thanks Ian. Good stuff. This thread should be stickied since its gonna help so many people out.
  20. D-Talkz

    D-Talkz Newbie

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    May 27, 2013
    26 y/o from U.S.A.
    Sorry ianzombie I skimmed through, I was trying to help. I've read your whole post now and it's great. I was just trying to get the feel for Kratom before I bought it online. Now I have a Question if you can give me a answer that would be cool. Ketum and Kratom are the same thing right? And is superior grade Bali Thia Ketum good? I found a source that sells a few different grades at different quantities, all large from 1oz to 4 oz. Should I go for it and buy a lower amount to get a idea of what I am dealing with?.