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Adderall & Opiate withdrawal

Discussion in 'Adderall' started by OhCasey, Feb 15, 2008.

  1. OhCasey

    OhCasey Palladium Member

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    Sorry if this has been already posted/Discussed (I searched with no luck) But I was wondering If any body else takes Adderall and Opiates on a daily basis, and if they notice that the Adderall makes them take less Opiates or hides opiate withdrawal Symptoms really well. I take 6-10 Norcos a day and has been taking 10 mg adderall XR daily. I have only taken 2-5 norcos a day since hes been on Adderall. Maybe its just Swim, just thought I'd ask.
     
  2. bloodred1889

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    maybe its the fact adderall is an upper and opiods are downers, but if you took adderall first then you would think taking opioids after would bring you down.

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    I say adderall is an upper swim means its a stimulant were as opioids calm you down and make you feel drowsey.

    actually I dont know if opioids are classified as downers like sleeping pills are.



    it does sound weird though.

    but swims sure you already knew that and someone else would be able to give you way better info.

    swim just found it interesting.
     
  3. GForce

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    I can't testify to the extent of safely combining the two pharmaceuticals, but neurologically it would make sense that Adderall would curb opiate withdrawal. Opiate withdrawal obviously has many negative symptoms associated with it otherwise it wouldn't be an undesirable side-effect of taking less opiates. In addition, opiate tolerance is virtually limitless, causing users who take opiates regularly to have tolerances so high that their dose, while therapeutic to them, would kill someone who has no tolerance. Given that there is no limit to the extent of dependency, there is no limit to the extent of how horrible the withdrawal symptoms can be.

    That being said, the withdrawal symptoms, without getting too specific, include poor mood, lack of energy, lack of motivation, and dysphoria in general. I'm sure You is well aware of this. Since Adderall's side effects include improved mood, euphoria, and energy, it isn't surprising that Adderall can offset the dysphoria from opiate withdrawal.
     
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    People do it all the time, every day, Swim's sure if I took a walk down some of the heavier streets in this fair city I could find you someone on the same bag in minutes. Even if its not junk and tweak, its called a speedball, and its a pretty well gauranteed way to land yourself with an inescapeable addiction. It may not feel like something really hardcore or crazy right now, but you're basically hitting your brain where it counts, and rewiring the systems that determine your entire reality, so be careful.
     
  5. OhCasey

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    haha Well Swim thanks you for the concern, but he will be fine. My in Chronic pain and life without opiates is impossible, I also have ADD and School without Adderall would be near impossible. My young and has kept his opiate use for the last 4 years under control and Both My pain Mgmt Doc and Family Doc know hes getting Pain Meds and Adderall and they SHOULD be able to catch any bad interactions. I've just noticed that on Adderall i dont feel WithDrawals and was wondering if its just me or if others feel it too, I know some people would like to be able to make a stash last or lessen the WD's and this may be of help, I understand the serious nature of both meds but I would of liked to know this info when he's had to go through WD's and Couldnt get more opiates but Adderall always available at my school.
     
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    What about the phsyical pain?
     
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    I am Shocked at the lack of info on this subject. Hes searched the Web and found a thread on another forum started by someone who feels the same as he does. But just as many people who say Adderall/amphetamines make wd's worse. Maybe its because I have ADD and the meds effect him more but at a dose of just 10 mg adderall xr his wd's are minimum. I have questioned Local Lab rats, searched this forum, and ofcourse all the usually internet resources (google) but still really no info on if or why adderall all but eliminates wd's.
     
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    Update: The other day I was in full blown Withdrawal and took four 5mg Adderall XR pills (over the course of 24 hours) and didnt feel one symptom besides the diarrhea which he all but eliminated with a bottle of Pepto Bismol. Now I dont feel like Going through 3-7 Days of WD's to see how well the Adderall would work for the long haul but he was more then 24 hours into withdrawal and felt really good. He knows that replacing Adderall with opiates would only make you dependent on Adderall instead but coming off adderall is a cake walk compared to Opiates. Also another time I started to wd off of opiates and was on adderall he felt his legs hurting a bit so it might depend alot on how much opiates you have in your system and how much adderall youre taking to mask it but 20 mg XR isnt a very high dose at all. Just thought someone might find it useful since theres no info here on the subject.
     
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    Last week my friend said he was going through some minor Opiate withdrawal when he also got a prescription for Adderall. He said that the Adderall didn't help the withdrawal the least bit. Then today he took an Opiate for the first time with Adderall (taken about 6 hours earlier) and he said that he couldn't feel the Opiate at all and he was pretty pissed about it. Then later in the day when he was coming down off the Adderall he all the sudden could feel the Opiate.
     
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    I've read on other website forums that some people said the Adderall didnt help with withdrawals either but the majority of them seemed to use adderall for fun and not have ADD. Ive noticed that adderall affects people who dont have ADD different then those who do but i cant find any solid info on adderall affecting Opiate withdrawals, just people like myself posting on boards saying how much the adderall completely wipes out the ill effects of opiate withdrawal.
     
  11. Sportsguy86

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    Yes, adderall helps TREMENDOUSLY with opiate withdrawals. I am really surprised that I rarely hear it recommended, but believe its due to "replacing a drug for a drug" thing. But people recommend Benzo's, so who really knows.

    When I quit opiate's cold turkey 2 years ago, Adderall really helped me get through it. The reason for this is the major symptom of opiate withdrawal is severe anxiety and depression. Sure, I know the physical symptoms all too well, but Adderall helps with this too.

    Adderall strongly positively impacts the pleasure/GABA receptors in your brain, as well as endorphins and serotonin. It also increases motivation (lack of motivation HUGE symptom of opiate withdrawal) and euphoria. It also makes you physically feel good. I'm not saying it will remove the physical symptoms of severe aches and chills, but will help.

    The important thing is to only take it in small doses (so you don't have an unpleasant comedown) and early on in the day, as it can cause insomnia, and one in opiate withdrawal is probably an insomniac already.

    Only use it for the first 4 days of withdrawal. After then, your body should be in somewhat of decent enough shape to not need the adderall. You don't want to become dependent on the feeling adderall gives you because it also can be addicting, although nowhere near as bad as opiates.

    So, I'd recommend a dose of 10mg in the morning and mid-afternoon. This will wear off around dinnertime. And then you have to totally change it around and prepare your body to try to sleep. Melatonin, valerian root, OTC sleeping aids, and possibly benzo's if you have no history of abuse.

    Repeat this cycle here, along with taking vitamins, resting, drinking TONS of water, and staying as motivated as you possibly can, and I have NO doubt ANYBODY can get through opiate withdrawal.
     
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    Also, I would like to add that the effectiveness varies with how intensely one used opiates. If you'd been shooting up heroin 24/7 or taking extremely high amounts of oxycontin, well, be prepared to go through hell.

    My opiate problem was relatively mild, although certainly a problem, somewhere between 50-100mg of oxycodone a day for about 3-4 months. For people like me with this level of a problem, use my plan. I promise it will make the process so much easier.

    If you are an extremely heavy user, I'd recommend a "fast taper", in which you reduce use by 25% a week, and then after 4 weeks when you stop totally, use my plan.
     
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    I have gone on his opiate binges of a couple days of mild to moderate doses of dilaudid (8-24mg) or heroin (0.2-0.4)

    When he doesn't do opiates I have taken his desoxyn (10mg-20mg daily) for days between with his xanax prescription and he feels fine with no WDs. When he does go through WDs they are a bitch but not extreme from what I have seen/read.
     
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    Well I don't really care for suboxone but does take it daily.It feels too "chemical"and not enough like a real opiate.Well I took some adderall today and has found that adderall actually brings out suboxones opiate qualities and masks its more negative qualities.Not sure why this is but I feel pretty good.
     
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    probably cuz they both tango with dopamine? I have enjoyed suboxone when he had withdrawls from dilaudid but doesnt like to to the Ds much at ll lately because of those horrid 3 weeks cold turkey but SWIM made it and is handling his habit now with no WDs to speak of :)
     
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    Wow swim envies people that can get on and off opiates with no withdrawal.Swim wishes he was still that way.Opiates do have a nice synergy with stimulants.Normally one couldn't lay down on coke and just melt into the music but if one combines cocaine and a strong opiate its like the best of two worlds.Swim thinks he likes adderall much better than cocaine and must try the combination of a much better opiate with adderall.
     
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    I tried his desoxyn with some hydromorphone and he was driving down the road on a pefect day and felt extrememly happy just watching the world go by and he felt like he wanted to do anything from work to help a friend to see a film. just anything he would enojy. incredible feeling of well being.

    doses were 10mg of Desoxyn (Methamphetamine Hcl) and later 16mg of Dilaudid (Hydromorphone)
     
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    I think your friend's recommendation is helpful, and it would have gotten some reputation points if you weren't self-incriminating! Read the rules over and make sure to use SWIM (Someone Who Isn't Me) or an equivalent whenever you are discussing anything even bordering on incrimination. And yes, this includes illegal substances that you took years ago. Otherwise welcome and good advice on surviving "mild" opiate withdrawls--my retarded pet rabbit has gone through a few of those and used a similar approach.
     
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    My stuffed beaver Wally has been going through the same thing.

    Wally is Narcoleptic and has been prescribed Adderall XR 30 mg for the last two years. Recently, while at the dam (job), Wally suffered a back injury that resulted in two herniated disks w/ sciatica. To make a long story short, Wally eventually was prescribed Oxycodone APAP 10/350 ( Percocet ). He usually dosed two times a day: 8 hours after taking Adderall in the morning and before sleep.

    Oxycodone affected Wally a bit oddly in two ways (when it was taken as directed):

    1. When Wally took Oxycodone during the Adderall 8 hour extended period, Wally felt the Oxycodone effects a bit stronger, but also felt a bit more lethargic in comparison to taking Oxycodone after that 8 hour period.

    2. When Wally took Oxycodone after that 8 hour period, Wally still experienced the "beneficial" effects of Oxycodone, but after an hour or so, Wally couldn't stop bouncing off the walls. He was very productive for 5 to 6 hours and usually reserved that time for Chem. studies.

    As far as withdrawals go, Wally did notice that Adderall "masked" the symptoms. Wally is also prescribed Methylphenidate (Ritalin) 10 Mg SR. When he was crashing from the Adderall, Wally really felt the withdrawal symptoms and found that Methylphenidate worked in masking them as well, but not as well as the Adderall.

    I told Wally not to indulge, but he was using Oxycodone recreationally on occasion, up to 150 mgs a day, and was suddenly cut off cold turkey. Nonetheless, Wally doesn't pretend that he had the worst of what an opiate withdrawal could dish out. I told Wally not to indulge, but you know how stuffed beavers are.

    Anyways, when Wally was first taking Oxycodone, he was in the same boat as OhCasey: No quality information out there. So, Wally hopes this helps a swimmer someday.
     
  20. OhCasey

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    Update: I can tell you that if you take adderall XR in the 10-30 mg range during opioid withdrawals for a week you significantly reduce the withdrawals. Also i can tell you that if you take adderall for 2-3 weeks and stop suddenly you wont experience any withdrawals from the adderall, if youre like swim. I hate to toot my own horn but when i posted this thread there were no similar threads and now ive seen a couple since. This thread also has a good amount of views for a recent thread. Ill give myslef a pat on the back.