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Effects - ADHD and Meth - A different point of view

Discussion in 'Methamphetamine' started by blarg.blargblargblarg.bla, Oct 8, 2010.

  1. blarg.blargblargblarg.bla

    blarg.blargblargblarg.bla Silver Member

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    A friend of a friend of a friend of a friend's unicorn, Daisy, has adhd and has seen A LOT of topics giving potentially inaccurate information. Daisy says that the people who get really speedy and racy from meth do not really have adhd as it (it being adhd) actually makes meth have a reverse effect unless a lot is taken in. Daisy believes the euphoria from meth has nothing to do with having adhd or not having adhd. Every first timer Daisy has seen (including Daisy) has had no euphoric feelings for the most part. According to Daisy the euphoria comes with addiction and dosage. Addiction + low quanity = euphoria. No addiction + low quantity = no euphoria. Both addiction & no addiction + large quantity (smoked and/or snorted) = euphoria.

    It is almost impossible to get "The Meth Euphoria" if your a newcomer because the amount needed is most likely to much to handle.

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    I made this cuz I keep seeing things like "adhd makes you tweak harder on meth" and "meth wont give you a euphoria if you have adhd"

    PS I can't edit the post so I had to make a reply. (dont worry i couldnt careless about postcount and status on here, as I read 99% of the time)
     
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  2. swampbox

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    SWIM has been doing several batches of cocaine over YEARS.... and always rarely feels anything.

    SWIM notices if he is very drunk and sniffs coke he will "sober up" and have a "cleaner drunk"

    ... but NEVER really gets a high from cocaine and doesnt understand why club goers love it so much

    SWIM also has ADHD

    connection?

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    SWIM can also fall asleep right away after doing large amounts of cocaine. WHY?
     
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  3. blarg.blargblargblarg.bla

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    Daisy can also sleep right away and didn't get 'high' till addicted on a large level.

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    It is fact to the scientific community and me that stimulants have a "calming" effect on people with adhd. Does anybody want to bring up references stating otherwise? I would greatly appreciate any feedback, regardless of if you agree or disagree.
     
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  4. anarchyangel

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    SWIM has adhd and has used meth on about 5 occasions. SWIM would have to agree that small doses dont cause euphoria but just concentration much like taking for example a small dose of adderal or vyvance but still a little better. As for taking larger doses SWIM has found much euphoria in meth but does indeed require a much larger dose. When SWIM smoked meth with 4 tweakers including a tweak dealer he out smoked all four of them SWIMs friend was in disbelief that a newbie user had smoked more then 4 tweakers and wasnt twacked out his mind, it definitely did induce strong euphoria and self-confidence(SWIMs favorite effect) but the crash was definitely not worth ir although SWIMs friend told him not to chase the big high when smoking meth SWIM couldnt help himself. Hope this can provide a little incite
     
  5. sykes

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    SWIMS first time he sat down with a candle and bulb and smoked for 2 hour straight. It was the best high ever, he loved it. Honestly the best feeling he has ever had. Its been half a year and he still remembers that warm feeling, that clean blanket of euphoria...ah

    The rush kept coming back and got more intense the more/every time he smoked it.

    SWIMs been clean for a couple of weeks and its not really affecting him in anyway besides the fact that he misses it, craves it sometimes. But for some reason he would rather buy weed.
     
  6. druoak01

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    Hello blarg.blargblargblarg.bla, hey, that's a name mouthful! lol! Me weasel went hiking in Smokey Mountains meeting elves that gave him sleeping potion. Bad elves! Me weasel awoke ten years later and stumbled to a sleep sheeper dr.crazy who said Me weasel was now cursed with narcolepsy. Dr. crazy wrote notes that Me weasel gave to the pharmacy. In return, they gave him 180, 5 mg. generic Desoxyn for 30 mg. per day. Me weasel sadly accepted his fate and ate 6 tabs daily, like Dr. crazy told him. Me weasel said he never felt buzzed, intoxicated and thinks those damn elves knows his house cause he still sometimes gets stuck sleeping 2 days! Me weasel swore he done never bad illegal meth. I told Me Weasel he's better off not going to hell to suffer for kicks. Dr. crazy is proud of Me Weasel. It's all in the hands, just watch the hands!
     
  7. tatbat

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    Wow! A post I can actually contribute to. AFOF has ADD/ADHD. The first time he tried Meth it took several hits from a pipe, two lines up the nose and a booty bump to get any type of effect. This experience was four years ago. AFOF said he would never do it again because of the lifeless penis and the crash afterwards. Well a few weeks ago AFOF tried it again at a friend's house whom he really trusts with good reason. The other friend was astounded that AFOF had to have at least 5 hits off of a pipe, two booty bumps with needle less syringe to feel any effects. Since AFOF and other friend are also sex buddies chem piss was administered up the mouth and wazoo of AFOF hours later to continue the effect. This time AFOF didn't have the bad crash but still had a limp dick. The coolest thing that AFOF said happened was that he was able to hyperfocus and play a slow and intense games of handball on the other friend's guests.
     
  8. kailey_elise

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    Yeah, I out-smoked a fuckton of tweaks the first time I tried meth, and I still didn't understand it's major appeal. One of the people in the crew was like, well, she normally injects her other drugs, maybe that's why & had me set up a shot. This was a lot better, but still nothing overly earth shattering. I attribute it to my ADHD, as I've done huge, scary shots with absolutely no tolerance & felt a bit jittery, but no real euphoria or even feelings generally good after the injection rush. I also had no problems sleeping.

    *sigh*

    Everyone's different, I suppose.

    ~Kailey, who'd have sawed off her leg & sold her mother to rapists for more cocaine at one point in her life, but still doesn't understand the meth thing...
     
  9. The_Joker

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    Someone that I know got herself very addicted to meth, and she has ADHD.

    She didnt know it when she first started doing drugs. All she knew was that if she took crystal meth, adhd meds, or cocaine (to a smaller extent) she felt better and normal. Of course she took too much and got herself a nasty little habit going.

    You can have ADHD and still get high off meth, you just have to take quite a bit.

    This person had around a gram a day habit.

    Her least favorite of these drugs was cocaine as she had to do so MUCH and it was every 5 minutes.

    She does not like any drug other than speedy drugs, except she is a social drinker and will smoke pot if it is around.

    She is currently prescribed Ritalin 20 mg three times a day. She doesnt tend to abuse it unless she is drinking and someone suggests it (probably trying to get her meds). In fact, she often takes only 1-2 a day and takes weekends off. ADHD meds are abuseable to her, but its not worth running out of them totally, or the horrific crash. They are DEFINITELY not worth the crash. If she takes them like she is supposed to she doesnt feel them but others claim it helps. If she takes too many and feels speedy, then she will likely abuse them. Its important that there is no fun in taking them or she will get in trouble.

    Possibly the ADHD explains why she got a high tolerance quickly, she was using a large amount. She was also smoking it which tends to waste it. Had she measured it out into capsules and taken 40 mg or so a day orally in divided doses, or less, she might have been fine.

    Probably not though.

    In other news, today is one month clean for her from her last nasty little cocaine/ adderall/ritalin binge. It went on for a month and it was getting ugly. She considered getting some of these bath salts and is now glad she didnt!

    Anyways...getting off track.

    I think stims make ADHD people feel "better" and "normal" and "able to think" so it doesnt suprise me.

    ADHD-ers are also notoriously bad about abusing drugs and alcohol, supposedly.
     
  10. Addie Daddy

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    SWIM has tried meth 5 times. Orally, smoked, snorted. .3-.4 grams MAX in one session. Only the first time and last time has he felt any decent euphoria; but even then was weak. Many times after smoking he would feel like napping even, and wouldn't be social. First time smoking, and last time orally, he was wide awake and had normal energy for 15/20 hours respectively. He still stayed relatively calm/almost in a nappy mood, but socialized more and tidied up every now and then.

    SWIM isn't diagnosed with ADD/ADHD (has never seen a professional about it though) swim is generally calm, can focus on any task given to him whether enjoyable or not (although loves to procrastinate), overall just no typical signs of ADD. Swim did take an online evaluation once which revealed swim may have minor ADD; but even if true swim believes he should have felt more euphoria at his dosage.

    SWIM has never had a "mind-blowing" experience. Or even a very memorable one. (Even tried following advice from other threads like making sure you have adequate rest/neurotransmitters aren't depleted, smoking it correctly, etc.)

    SWIM would like to try one more time in a few weeks to reach that great euphoria he's heard so much about.

    From reading the other posts, perhaps swim needs to use more than .4gram at one time?

    If so, how much would SWIY recommend to do at once/within a short period of time? Should I try booty bumping? Any other advice?
     
  11. tatbat

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    "Bath Salts," huh?

    That sounds like how poppers (isobutyl nitrite or butyl nitrite) are sold as "leather cleaner" or "video head cleaner" in adult book stores.

    I have an ex who is also an ADDer and after we broke up, he became a little crystal head. He and his friend (yet another ADDer) warned me to NEVERmess with stuff like methamphetamines for the fact that one person's high is an ADDer's temporary feeling of normalcy.
     
  12. FuriousB

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    Yes! Exactly same here, well I feel some anxious effects, 5 minutes of feeling like my brain is clear and a fog has been lifted. NOTHING pleasurable, if anything I hated the feeling of coke, but I stuck to it for that little window I got into clearer and calmer thinking. I felt normal. It's a weird thing to say but anyone with ADHD who's been medicated knows what feeling normal is. It's this fog that lifts, these simple things you couldn't process now flow easily, and if you dose right, that's it, no euphoria, excitement, mania, highs/lows, you're just able to focus instead of always getting distracted by something more exciting.

    When I got introduced to cocaine I consumed insane quantities to try to feel what my friends were feeling. More than anything the drug causes me insane anxiety. This got worse over about a year until I reached a point where you couldn't pay me to take a line. I tried crack just to say I'd done it, and while it was wiping my friends out on the floor, it did nothing to me except make me tired.

    To take this story to its extreme, I ended up overdosing on cocaine and having a grand mal seizure. Guess what I was doing at these near-fatal levels? Calmly studying in my room. No partying, euphoria, just great concentration, and some anxiety and irritable bowel. It took going to ER to be referred to a psych who immediately realized I was classic ADHD (worse than most - touching on the Aspergers spectrum). It's why I always had big goals in life but tripped on the details, why I had to work extra hard to develop my social skills, and why I had been drawn to stimulants for self-medication, such as cocaine and before, inhuman amounts of red bull.

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    The first time I saw how true this was, was when I gave one of my Adderall to my girlfriend at the time because she thought she might have ADHD. I gave her 1/2 a pill to account for lack of tolerance. I took my meds at the same time. 40 minutes later I was catching up on the boring work I couldn't focus on, when she burst in wanting to go out and party, she was HIGH, Euphoric, bouncing off the walls. Skip the psychologists, that's the acid test right there. Even the first time I ever took my meds I felt nothing like that.

    A few days later, she stole my adderall bottle. She was addicted like /that/. Few weeks past that we broke up.

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    If you're ADHD and addicted to crystal, the path is without a doubt to see a psychiatrist and get Desoxyn (methamphetamine). This is an easy path with no withdrawal, no more legal risks, highs/lows gone, safer dosages, legal to drug test for and to posses, CHEAPER than streets. If you're really ADHD you just want to be normal. Desoxyn does it best, and it's always in your system so cuts down on cravings and highs from bumping/smoking. My humble experience.

    BTW tatbat, did your ex per chance have an anger problem at any time before/after crystal? I know a lot of girls who's ex had anger issues either exclusively before or exclusively after (only the girls noticed this, not the guy friends, sadly). I'm curious if there's something to it. I live in the SF Bay Area so sadly I know way too many people caught up in this drug.
     
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  13. The_Joker

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    Actually the person i know is currently taking Ritalin 20 mg three times a day for ADHD but she would be terrified of any of her health care providers finding out about her past drug habits. She fears they would immediately pull the ADHD meds from her and she would be tempted to return to illegal speed. She does not tend to abuse the Ritalin (heck she really cant even feel it but boy everyone else seems to know if she skips it...lol). It has happened, but it doesnt very much, and it hasnt for a long time.

    This is not to say her other friends arent more interested in the Ritalin than she is, so she doesnt tell anyone she takes it. She has gotten it ripped off before.

    So are you actually prescribed DESOXYN?? I thought it was a last ditch adhd med, the cream of the crop but reserved for those no other med works for...and that it was extremely expensive. Does it make the person you are referring to who takes it feel at all like they did on street meth? I would assume not as the dose is very low and it is taken orally. It is demonized and i would be almost afraid to try it...just because of what it is. Really the only reason meth is so hated is because the ease of making it has caused its abuse, imo. If adderall or ritalin was easier to synthesize, you would see it being abused a lot.

    She has never taken DESOXYN (meaning pharmaceutical grade meth) but has heard AMAZING, GLOWING reports from ADHD people who HAVE taken it....perfect calm, energy, peace, and sanity at a very low dose.
     
  14. BishopBob

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    I do have ADHD and ma being medically treated for it with Adderall. Prior to being diagnosed I self-medicated like mot folks with ADHD. In the 1970's I did a great deal of cocaine (used it every way possible) and pharmaceutical grade methamphetamine ("Breaking Bad" quality lol). FOR ME --- I NEVER became addicted to stimulant medication legal or illegal. I take over 1,000+ Adderall per year and have for years. Sometimes I stop suddenly for months (usually an health insurance change or loss of it) with no repercussions. I got HIGH from the meds in the 70's, enjoyed them, and yes am FULL BLOWN ADHD. These medications on ADD to the quality of my life and do not detract from it.

    Frankly, I do not believe if I was taking Desoxyn (pharma methamphetamine) I would not experience any addiction, but I WOULD experience the BIG TIME RUSH. So I see no downside to being ADHD when it comes to meth/speed. It has other downsides.
     
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    Swim has ADHD (ADD subtype) and finds that when he snorts meth his attention is vastly increased. And he can perform tastks much quicker. But swim is not a daily user and only gets like $20 worth a month and does it over the course of a few days then he lays off it for a few weeks to a couple months then does it over again. But swim feels small doses of high quality methamphetamine help him with his ADHD. But he also is aware of it's addictive properties and is extremely cautious when using
     
  16. Corycelia

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    Wow! Swim can very much relate to most on this thread. Swim has been clinically diagnosed with ADHD for four years. Previously prescribed adderall/ or Ritilan at 25mg three times daily. This past year swim began doing coke and never understood its apparent appeal by others around. Swim would feel a tightness in her body and a lot of anxiety, not a jaw clenching type.. The 'uhhh I think I'm going to be up for days and feel like death anxiety.' it's just so shitty swim doesn't know how to describe it. Swim began doing meth a few months ago with a friend. Swims friend will get very high and annoying after a few minutes of smoking. Swim does not feel high unless injected but that was only during the first several times using intravenously and no longer feels that. Thankfully swim doesn't try to chase that IV high and sticks to smoking to feel calm and collected.

    Swim is relieved to finally have info to help her friend understand that she is not 'fucked up' and good at hiding it after a few puffs. In other words make him shut UP. Swim is jonesin'...
     
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    Long time reader, first time poster. lol (wasn't that clever? like a radio show or larry king or sumfing) So I am actually a little nervous about my little blurb on this thread... I know, Crazy right?

    Anyways...

    A few years ago This One Guy (TOG) had enough of getting fired from jobs he was good at over stupid details like showing up to work on time and went to see a real live psychiatric Doctor (Dr). TOG had been diagnosed with ADHD when in 2nd grade, partly because 2nd grade was gonna kick his hyper ass out of school of TOG's parents didn't figure out what was up with him. He got put on Ritalin for the next 8 years until he took himself off of it against a totally different Dr's recommendation.He totally hated it for some reason.

    A couple years later he joined the Army to gain some discipline. They kicked him out after 3 years for always being late (TOG was sober in 12 step program at that time). TOG went home, got fired from some more jobs, and than found himself married with a kid and unemployed with an unhappy wife (but baby girl was always happy and smiling).

    So his new Dr. said - Son, you've got a bad case of the Adult ADHD - and gave him a bunch of Addies to take every day. The first day he took them he sat down and wrote a letter he had been wanting to write to a friend doing some time, and worked on a chair he was making for his daughter. The letter was mailed that day, after his best friend had done about a year with no contact either way. The chair (3 years in the making, 3 YEARS!!) was done within a month despite having 3/4 of the way to go - stained with his daughters name engraved in the wood back.

    Now he is mixing Tina, or Crystal, or Shit into the mix and doing WAY to much. Like hanging with and exceeding the long time addicts to the Shit, this is after like 2 weeks. Gotta cut out the glass, partly because while snorting TOG has a really gross habit of eating his bogies before he blows his nose so as not to "waste" any.

    Anyway, that is TOG's gross story, and uhmmm, OH! anybody know a good career path for an ADHD with experience in almost every field and no steady job for more than 3 years at a time? That, and, don't do crystal kids! You just might eat your own boogers.
     
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    ADHD isn't as simple as just being diagnosed as such. There's two main types and a mixture of the two. Then there's another type in a sense. I was diagnosed with High IQ ADHD. The individuals of this diagnosis have an IQ higher than 120 but IQ assessment skills vary vastly. Basically genius on parts of the assessment and refuse to even try on other parts. High IQ allows the person to function "normally" to an extent with me medication because they'll outthink they're flaws to fix something before its broke. Adderall still works the same and works great. D-meth works exactly the same but the line between calm and normal feeling to bat shit crazy feeling is very very thin.

    Also just a thought to throw out to some people that haven't been diagnosed or misdiagnosed, look into Aspergers disease. Basically high functioning autism but very smart individuals. Anti social and use a lot of non standard wording. The more I look into it I may have been. Misdiagnosed myself.
     
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    I have ADHD, and have scored a 168 on a standardized IQ test (for the love of god it was 3 hours long and I was NOT on my medication...), but I've never heard of there being specifically two different kinds of ADHD... Meh, not that it's important. I can also relate to being able to function semi-normally throughout my life, although I was not put on any medication until 1.5 years ago (due to parents). However, I was still very forgetful and scatterbrained. I'm also not necessarily the most talkative person, unless the conversation is really good. It's been mentioned by a medical professional that I show the signs of aspburger's as well, or in place of ADHD. I used to be a stack-er, I have a very VERY limited interest in social interactions, and I sometimes annoy my few close friends by always using a more profound vocabulary. I also have an intense fascination with molecular structures, especially biological polymers, and have a mild, rare, tic in which I shake my head as if I was shivering.

    To the original post, I was put on adderall and it has helped me SUBSTANTIALLY! I have been on my medication with friends who also took some, although they don't have ADHD/ADD, and the effects of the drug on those without ADD/ADHD is markedly different. They get excited, jittery, bouncy, and talkative. Myself, on the other hand, gets focused and determined. I do get slight euphoria from my medication, though it's nothing extreme. I have also had a bout of amph psychosis after using too much medication to stay up doing research for a month or two. I had switched to, what I call, a bicircadian rhythm in which I would sleep every other night (stayed up for approximately 40 hours at a time) for 12 hours. It was a big mistake... However I did learn a valuable lesson...

    Now changing pronouns....

    SWIM has often thought of trying methamphetamine to help himself with his ADHD, but due to the stigma of the drug has stayed away from it. SWIM might have possibly taken it once, but could not be sure because it was administered at a mental hospital (still bitter about that). It seemed that the odd pill, don't quite remember the details of what it looked like because SWIM took it quickly as not to hold up the "drug line", was a good deal stronger than his normal medication. SWIM also felt a very strong come down after about 6 hours. SWIM perceived a little less euphoria than on adderall, however.

    This thread has furthered my interest in the compound. SWIM might attempt his own synthesis, as they have a strong background in organic chemistry. If it really does work, I might have to talk with my psychiatrist about a change...
     
  20. m0t0rhead

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    The beauty lying next to me is ADHD and her experience with meth is almost completely opposite of my own. While I would smoke a bowl and be satisfyingly amped, she would smoke one and much to my dismay insist on loading bowl after bowl until she was so gacked she forgot about the dope or the bag was gone. Whatever euphoria she felt was fleeting and the constant redoseing inevitably lead to a horrible comedown that left her tired, irritated and brain dead while I was left twacked to the max and constantly reminding myself that it is NOT a good idea to start projects involving power tools at 5 am. The effect the drug had on her coupled with her horrible pipe technique amounted to wasted dope, binges that lasted way too long and an unhappy couple.


    Then we discovered plugging... :D