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Injecting - air bubbles in needles

Discussion in 'Opiates & Opioids' started by brettoner, Nov 5, 2009.

  1. brettoner

    brettoner Newbie

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    does this really matter if there is a little air bubble still in the u-100 after flicking it swim heard it hurts like a bitch but only one person told me this so its probs not true i hope
     
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    It's my understanding that injecting an air bubble into your blood stream will kill you. I don't shoot up so he can't really be sure, but he tells me he's heard it many times from many people. Furthermore getting air injected or blown (forcefully) into anywhere on your body (think sex) has the potential to kill.

    At work, we have to, by law, limit the air volume and PSI from a blow wand on our air compressors because apparently people have died in the past from too much air pressure cutting the skin and forcing itself into the body and working it's way into the brain or heart.

    SWIM tells me to recommend that You be extremely careful to avoid injecting the air bubbles and to stay away from needles completely until he is taught how to properly use a syringe.
     
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  3. YeaXTC

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    great post swioxy.

    I would further support the above, the one time when he did try injecting, he removed all air bubbles, however, in the bottom of the syringe within the liquid area, there are a few tiny tiny air bubble stuck inside it seems. he asked a junkie friend and said friend told swim the TINY TINY LITTLE UN-REMOVABLE BUBBLES at the bottom that are stuck to the bottom of the syringe, theyre literally smaller than crubs, are okay and unable to remove. swim ended up changing his mind with his wrist tourniquent'd (sp?) off and the needle in his vein (on his 2nd try, suprisingly) and removed the needle before plunging in, knowing if he injected the hydromorphone his life would change drastically, and the rush from snorting would no longer ever suffice. so he then snorted the liquid, and got a good nod. but hes glad, even to this day, that he never pushed that plunger. so remember that, and the dark path the needle has lead to for many, next time You thinks, or even attempts to shoot up--once its pushed in there's no turning back--does You want that life / ready for that?

    UTFSE to find some threads about injecting safeties, however, if You does decide to, so that there can be maximum harm reduction. if You is shooting pills I would suggest a double filter, and if there are any visible particles floatin around in the rig, You needs to again, refilter, no matter the substance. it should be crystal clear inside!

    All the best, and stay safe!
     
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  4. biggpri

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    injecting those little, tiny, almost invisible air bubbles at the bottom of the syringe, in swim's experience, is not harmful, but I wouldn't advise it. mainlining any air bubbles bigger than that can potentially lead to death. remove as many air bubbles as You can from the needle, even if it takes fifteen minutes of flicking the barrell.
     
  5. Thor1394

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    I used to be afraid of air bubbles when he first started shooting too. But this is some what exagerated and people are freaking out over nothing. I was in the hospital getting an IV from a nurse and she left like a quarter of a 1cc syringe sized air bubble in the line. I started freaking out and yelling at her. She told SWIM to relax and that is a myth and it would take 4 times that much air to even maybe make any difference in my heart rythem. SWIM wanted a second opinion before getting the air bubbled IV so the nurse got the doctor and he agreed. So though it is good practice to get as much air out as possible, espeacially if You does multiple shots a day, but it is nothing to freakout over. It would take that whole syringe full of air to do any damage.
     
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    Yes, I agree. One of SWIM's friend tried suicide by injecting air, it didn't work out.
     
  7. Ragnar Danneskjöld

    Ragnar Danneskjöld Silver Member

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    My guess is you could get away with as much as a quarter of the pin full of air.

    Its really a newb mistake a phobia

    air wont hurt you unless you bust out a B12 point and try and inflate yourself.
     
  8. I_8_my yellow crayon

    I_8_my yellow crayon Newbie

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    I did some reading before posting. Apparently it takes around 1cc of air injected into the body to kill a human being. However, this is not accurate info imo, and all air should be avoided. I have found that most of the time when he use to inject dilaudid, when pushing on the plunger, the little airbubbles would go towards the pin, but would stay there while injecting. The only way to actually inject those air bubbles would have been to push the syringe completely in at a very, very fast rate. For anyone new, all swimmers should avoid air though, and not let any enter their veins. Injecting drugs multiple times a day can be damaging enough to a human body, so any and all precautions to maintain safety should be taken.
     
  9. kailey_elise

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    A small amount of air (.25CC or less) isn't a problem in peripheral veins - arms, I think legs. The closer you get to the heart, the less air becomes acceptable.

    So, for those who IV, a bit of air in your syringe isn't that big a deal, but get out as much as you can before injecting. Also, when pulling back/jacking back/registering your hit, it looks like "air" comes in your syringe before the blood starts to pool in; this isn't "air" but part of the vacuum effect, and isn't cause for alarm.

    ~Kailey
     
  10. KelKitten

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    A small amount of air (.25CC or less) isn't a problem in peripheral veins - arms, I think legs. The closer you get to the heart, the less air becomes acceptable.

    So, for those who IV, a bit of air in your syringe isn't that big a deal, but get out as much as you can before injecting. Also, when pulling back/jacking back/registering your hit, it looks like "air" comes in your syringe before the blood starts to pool in; this isn't "air" but part of the vacuum effect, and isn't cause for alarm.

    ~Kailey

    I agree I've actually injected about .3 ccs before and nothing happened. You will feel the air going in though especially if it is forced. When air is going into a line in the hospital setting it's going in slowly. HOWEVER please don't inject into your neck or femoral vein because the first will go straight to the brain (think like in that movie where that nurse goes crazy and takes like a 10cc syringe to her neck, I think it's The Ring 2) and the second goes to the heart and of you force air into either of those I don't know how much or how little air that could take. From experience I know we all think slamming it in will produce a heavier rush but IMO it's not that much more intense, can actually be overwhelming and kind of ruin the high from side effects, cause nausea/vomiting, and is also an easy way to overdose. If you push slowly (you're only pushing in 1cc and the blood is taking it to your brain right away because it is flowing through your body!!) not only can you stop if you start to feel where you want to be before pushing too much in, you may end up lowering your dose the next time, and you avoid blowing or damaging a vein which will give you less obvious IV sites. Slamming will wreck your veins fast. And if you are gonna choose this ROA be prepared to want to shoot anything and everything you come across. DON'T. And do your research on veins and arteries and how they work, WHERE they are located and depth (don't just go digging all ignorant into your body; this ROA is the easiest way to die from drugs& complications for using drugs) and read about things like dangers of IV use, abscesses, endocarditis, embolism, tissue and vein necrosis, sepsis/septic shock, cotton fever, how to treat a missed shot, when to go to the ER, overdose symptoms...yeah that's what you're looking at with IV drug use. Make sure your rigs are clean and brand new each and every time and order micron filters and don't ever use a cigarette filter. Remove tourniquet before pushing plunger to avoid vein damage and push SLOWLY. Pushing hard and fast can easily make you lose your place and miss the shot.

    Now that I've said all this, to anyone reading...please don't IV. Please. Please please please. Nothing will ruin your life faster. Everyone stay safe!
     
  11. KelKitten

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    you can get those bubbles out!! So we all know flicking doesn't always work. Only fill up to .8 ccs if you use that much water and then draw air into the syringe. Put the cap on in case you drop it or something, and turn it upside down and get the air you just pulled in to where the plunger is holding those tiny bubbles by flicking it or just shaking it up and down or back and forth. That big air bubble should grab the tiny bubbles and then you can flick it back to the top and push all of it out :) or just shake the damn thing vigorously to get all the air to stick together so you can push it out haha.
     
  12. Archaeoscientist

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    first of all, injecting into the carotid artery goes straight to your brain, not the jugular vein, which your are thinking of. veins always lead to the heart and arteries always lead to the extremities including the head. injecting into the carotid artery is about the worst thing you can do. Also, if you have a heart defect where you have a hole between the venous (intake) and arterial (output) chambers, any amount of air can cause serious problems or death, (arterial air embolism) , which can cause gangrene in the extremities, which can result in amputation of limbs. Most people don't have this though, and after accidentally injecting an air bubble and having no ill effects, I would sometimes leave a bit of air in the shot, which would go in last, and the gurgling sensation of the blood flowing up the vein and through my heart, would let me know i had not missed at all. the ended 4 years ago when i quit doing IV opioids. I really wouldn't recommend this, but it never did me any harm. I have injected over 2ccs of air with a 10cc (1000 unit) syringe, equipped with the tip of an insulin needle. no problems. i intentionally left air in the rig to create air pressure for the methadone liquid (made for injection, but dispensed at a clinic, not the sweet pink stuff, it said it was for injection right on the container they pumped it out of; someone was allergic to the sweetener, so they switched to the clear liquid), but still at 10mg/ml, i needed at least 70mg to get well, and the stuff was still thick, dissolved in PG. So trying to push 7 normal sized 1cc rigs through a 29 or 27 guage needle was very difficult to do without losing the vein, unless I had the air pressure so that i didn't have to continuously push on the plunger, and risk going through the vein. On this occasion my tolerance was low, because i had taken all of my 70mg take home doses in like 3 days, and had been in serious withdrawal for 4 days, and i nodded out a bit, and the air all went in. gurgle gurgle, no ill effects; this was an accident, and i would never shoot more than a few units of air at this point, but after a recent relapse, I am done!