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Drug info - anyone encounted instant release pills that gel/wax up when wet?

Discussion in 'Opiates & Opioids' started by gewdgood, Nov 25, 2009.

  1. gewdgood

    gewdgood Newbie

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    wondering if there are instant release pills that gel/wax up or if is only controlled release pills that do. swim has only encountered controlled release that gel in water.
     
  2. OsCarwild

    OsCarwild Newbie

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    Yes. Morphine Sulphate instant release pills made by Roxane Pharmaceuticals will gel up pretty bad.
     
  3. anonuser30500

    anonuser30500 Titanium Member

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    Ah, so its to stop people injecting.

    Swim wondered why its gelled.

    On a note of caution Swim recalls some drug in Scotland (and the UK) which apparently gelled up upon being injected. Led to quite a few limb amputations.

    Be warned, although I'm sure anyone with any sense to even use this forum would know that banging up some jelly like substance is likely to make you kick the bucket without completing the list!
     
  4. Picass035

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    Yep, those Roxane morphines "poof" like crazy and will absorb 50-60% of any water that's thrown at them. So they don't "gel up" per se (no wax), it does make it rather more difficult for IV use. One way around this is to use lots of water and then evaporate as much of it off via microwave or any other method that doesn't require high heat (heat destroys morphine). Another method is to just use a barrel capable of holding larger amounts of water (5mL/10mL).

    Roxane's methadone tablets have the same issue. Only IR tablet Swim has seen with actual gelling involved were morphine tabs made by Abott. They would only gel up slightly though. Nothing compared to MSContins.

    Since this was posted in the Codeine section however, anyone thinking about injecting Codeine DON'T. That is of course getting something like a pulmonary edema and dying a horrible, horrible death is your cup of tea:s

    Picass035 added 6 Minutes and 56 Seconds later...

    Swiy is referring to the drug Temazepam no? They resembled "small yellow eggs" and were filled with a gel containing the drug. Used to be referred as "jellies" and were taken off the market due to their high level of abuse/health problems. Swim heard of some cretins reverting to shooting the gel from OTC diphenhydramine formulations in order to "recreate" the experience. YUCK!!
     
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  5. Helene

    Helene Gold Member

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    Yeh, temazepam "gellies" were responsible for a huge amount of death and limb amputation in certain estates of Scotland in the late 80's/ early 90's (esp the Muirhouse Estate, I seem to remember reading). At one point, they were the most widely abused drug in Scotland. The temazepam tablets were made out of this gel-type substance to discourage injection. But (as ever) users found a way round it: heat it up really hot, suck it up into a pin, and slam it in a vein as quick as possible, before it cools and solidifies. Great stuff - except it starts to re-congeal in your veins instead, leading to very rapid vein loss and abscesses. And so people move to their groin (femoral) vein, hit it up there, which is easier to begin with, as you can use a thicker needle and so it doesn't block as easily. But then you get a deep vein thrombosis in your leg, and either it develops into gangrene, and ends up getting amputated, or (if you're unlucky) you die from a piece of the clot breaking off and ending up in your heart and/or lungs. These little yellow eggs caused a lot of pain and suffering. Great idea of the part of the pharmaceutical companies that, isn't it? Instead of making something impossible to inject, they make it deadly to inject in an attempt to discourage IV use. Anyway, as Picass035 stated, they are no longer available in this form, thank god.

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    But this rather depressing (and slightly off topic) anecdote does make swim think of all the other "gel-type" substances that people find ingenious ways of breaking down in order to inject. Do they re-congeal after injection, forming blockages in veins? As far as swim knows, there hasn't been another "epidemic" of the temazepam sort, but would we hear about it if there was...?

    I know it's been said before, but I feel the need to say it again - injecting pills is extremely damaging to ones body, and dangerous to ones health. Please think hard and research well before partaking in this activity.

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