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Anyone tried kratom + opiates?

Discussion in 'Kratom' started by sterling77, Jun 28, 2005.

  1. sterling77

    sterling77 Iridium Member

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    It seems like the combination of the two would work well together and
    potentiate each other, as they have similar effects. Maybe a low
    dose of vicodin with a little kratom extract, sounds like it could turn
    out well.



    Any experiences or info? SWIMs kratom extract should be coming in any day and they plan to post an experience of the combo.
     
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  2. Nicaine

    Nicaine Titanium Member

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    In SWIMs opinion this would be a bad idea, like mixing Vicodin with Percocets. The two could potentiate each other in unknown ways... could cause stuff like severe nausea or whatever. SWIM wouldn't do it themselves, but if SWIY does, they should go for a VERY low dose of each.
     
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  3. sterling77

    sterling77 Iridium Member

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    Yea SWIM was planning on going for a low dose of each. It is
    assumed that they will probably just potentiate each other in the way
    that you suggested with vicodin and percocets, but who knows they could
    have some unexpected reactions. Will post detailed results.



    Another question knowledgable members. It is my understanding
    that kratom does not directly stimulate the opiate receptors, but I was
    wondering if those little tricks for potentiating opiates apply to
    kratom. Such as: taking with grapefruit juice and carbonated
    beverages, benadryl, nyquil, et cetera.
     
  4. sterling77

    sterling77 Iridium Member

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    Anyone know anything about that? I read on a supplier's site that
    benadryl would potentiate kratom, although in a negative way.
    Grapefruit juice works on the same enzyme as opiates, and kratom does
    some wierd crossing-over type thing so would grapefruit juice have any
    additive effect?
     
  5. Nicaine

    Nicaine Titanium Member

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    AFAIK, Kratom *is* an opiate receptor agonist. That doesn't mean that the same stuff that potentiates opiates would work with K., because K. isn't an opiate.

    My guess is that too little is known about the active alkaloids to know for sure. How come you want to potentiate Kratom, have you developed a heavy tolerance or something?Edited by: Nicaine
     
  6. sterling77

    sterling77 Iridium Member

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    Thanks for the answer. No SWIM doesn't have a heavy tolerance, I was
    just wondering for the sake of knowledge, and also it could help
    stretch what you've bought.
     
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    Red_Baran Silver Member

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    SWIM loves the combo of of a few grams of kratom, and a few (4-5)10/325 vikes.


    SWIM has a heavy tolerance
     
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    eyecheewawa Newbie

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    SWIM is prescribed 10 mg Lortab (hydrocodone) every six hours ( 4 times a day) for pain. SWIM started using 2 teaspoons of super kratom powder mixed in yogurt with my morning Lortab dose. Wow - the Kratom seems great, but the best part is that they dont need to take the Lortab again until the evening time. Helps them stretch out the Lortab longer and can skip the afternoon dose. SWIM dont think it helps as an actual hydro holiday though. They think there is a cross tolerance with the two. Any other thoughts on this?
     
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  9. sands of time

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    Kratom effects the opiate receptors. The two essentially are potentiating the painkilling effects. Kratom in itself is a great painkiller, and there is much less of a risk of addiction. There is a cross tolerance as you suspect.
     
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    SWIM is not one to condone drugs on other people, actually the reason here was for a reason stated on SWIM accounts.

    Personally SWIM is a heroin addict and had friends try it who have no opiate tolerance whatsoever(though kratom isn't an opiate i believe it effects opiate receptors in your brain?). They tried it as a tea while we were smoking weed
    and felt very little effects it seemed to be as sedative as about benadryll if you don't take it often...

    It may be a good idea with kratom, but it's on you're own it's not like a lot of money to waste.

    roshambou added 1 Minutes and 10 Seconds later...

    forgot to mention SWIM was doing around a gram of dope a day.
     
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  11. TSBl0l

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    If swiy is using heroin you are obviously not going to get much from kratom. Heroin is MUCH stronger than any kratom you could buy. Also the amount of tolerance built from up from swiys addiction would mean you would need a lot of kratom to feel good effects. Even then those good effects would most likely be nothing good to swiy, as swiy would be comparing the effects to heroin.

    As far as your friends go, maybe they didn't dose the kratom high enough. Some people have naturally higher tolerances. Also make sure your stomach is completely empty when you take kratom by any method and in any form.


    Now, swim has one experience with combining plain leaf kratom with hydrocodone. He dosed both pretty low. He did a cwe on his pills so the amount of hydro isn't pin point but it was roughly 22-27mg of hydrocodone with 7-8g of super green sulu indo kratom.

    It honestly was nothing like he was expecting. He believes it was a matter of tolerance though. He dosed about 40mg of hydro Friday, and about 10g of kratom saturday. He took Sunday off and did the combo on Monday. He is getting some UEI and after he trys this by itself he is going to combine it with hydro, but this time probably raise the dose of hydro.
     
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    SWIM is eagerly awaiting kratom to arrive any day now, and is a kratom newbie. Based on this thread, SWIM thinks he should probably not take his DHC the day he wants to try kratom. SWIM will post his first kratom experience here :)
     
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    Hi all! This is my first post. Swim has been searching for an answer on this particular subject due to Swims experience in this area. Swim found one site that reflected Swims take. Kratom cancels or negates the effects of hydrocodone. Swim has been a user of kratom for about 3 years now. Swims usage for the last year and a half has been about an ounce of powdered bali per day. On occasion Swim obtains hydrocodone, which, Swim used to enjoy greatly. But it doesn't mix well with kratom, according to Swim. When Swim takes hydrocodone it is usually in combination with kratom. Kratom first then hydrocodone about an hour later when the kratom is kicking in. The idea being to achieve greater effect by mixing the two supposedly similar substances. When taken with the kratom, sometimes Swim feels nothing of the hydrocodone, though sometimes, Swim reports similar feelings to withdrawal after taking the hydrocodone. Weird skin crawling, restless legs, irritability, strong emotional reactions, not at all what you would expect of two drugs that supposedly potentiate each other. Swim has experienced the same feelings when taking kratom with codeine. Has anyone else had this experience. Swim found only one site on the whole internet that said anything about this. According to everyone else kratom and other opiates potentiate well. Feedback?
     
  14. ianzombie

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    Ive not heard that they potentiate each other, if anything i would have though the opposite would be true.
    Kratom binds to the same receptors as opiates so there is going to be some cross tollerence, which seems to be reported in threads here.

    Its possible that while you are building a tollerence to kratom it is also effecting your tollerence to other opiates.

    The negative effects you describe are typical withdrawal effects, it could be that your dose is no longer sufficiant. Its a shame you are using kratom on top of opiates as it is usually reserved as a replacement or to help with withdrawal symptoms by people trying to quit opiate use.
    Kratom is a fantastic substance, but it is being made illegal at an alarming rate, mostly because it is being dumped in with research chemicals by law makers who know no better.

    Combining it with opiates and then overdosing would be a perfect way to draw attention to it in a most negative way, so i, as someone who has a lot of respect for the good it offers legitimate pain sufferers and addicts could not say its a good idea.
     
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    Sorry, I should have told you more about Swim. Swim started using kratom in hopes that Swim could stop abusing alcohol. Swim was drinking every day, a lot! It was causing Swim relationship, and legal problems, DUI, Family Member Assault, etc. Not good, at all. It was highly successful for Swim, as kratom + alcohol = puke your guts out :rolleyes:. Problem is, Swim traded one addiction for another. Swim has leveled out in Swims usage of kratom, and is functioning well and suffering no percievable ill effects. Swim has begun a taper regimen several times. Something Swim would never have dreamed of doing with alcohol. So Swim is feeling positive about stopping relatively soon. Swim agrees that kratom tolerance certainly could cross with other opiates and Swims typical experience would reflect that. Swim just read on one site that kratom actually interacts in a fairly negative way with other opiates and thought it would be valuable information to put out there. As for the benefits of kratom Swim would say it most likely saved Swims life, so, there are certainly ways it could be used responsibly to great benefit of suffering people.
     
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    When it comes to my pet fish, he did not like the combination of the 2. He took 20 mg's of oxycodone about 4 hours after taking 5 g's of kratom. It did not make him feel bad, it just seemed like a waste of the percocets since the kratom seemed to "cancel out" many of the effects of the oxycodone. So, in my opinion, from a health perspective, I'd say it won't kill you, but it would be a waste of the great euphoria only acheivable from oxycodone, without kratom.
     
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    Thank you gmonkeyq. This backs up Swims theory; kratom cancels the effects of other opiates. Had Swiy taken the percocet say, 1 hour after taking the kratom Swims theory is that Swiy would have suffered some uncomfortable side effects from the combination. Anyone else? This information is not available any where else that Swim has found except that one web site that Swim cannot find again, so, if this is true: Swim and Swiy have a duty to inform others.
     
  18. ianzombie

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    Kratom wont Cancel the effects of other opiates.
    It can cause some cross tollerence but if you took kratom and then took any opiate in a high enough dose you are still going to feel it.

    Do you really think that if you took kratom and then took heroin that the kratom would Cancel its effects?
    Or any other opiate for that matter.

    It might take more than your usual dose to get the same effect, but that is very different from saying it would cancel its effects.

    There are a lot of factors to take into account. How much kratom and how much of a specific opiate is being used and how long a person has been using both kratom and the other opiate.
     
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    Man back when swim had a morphine connection he remembers the one time he did kratom with morphine he acheived the most amazing body high he's ever had, just from memory of the time anyway, haven't tried it since though it would be interesting
     
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    ianzombie is correct, and the reply i left meant it only partially "cancels out" other drugs, kratom will not cancel the effects completely of anything you take, but for my fish, it was definitely a waste of his percocets when the usual 20 mg's oxycodone he takes, really didn't do much for him, just, lets say, half the effects of what it should be. He was feeling good, but a little disappointed.