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Effects - Bali Kratom

Discussion in 'Kratom' started by HateToFeel, May 31, 2011.

  1. HateToFeel

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    Swim has tried kratom a few times in the past; the kind he is used to is Super Premium Indonesian Kratom. Swim recently bought some Premium Bali Kratom and he decided to try it out for the first time last night. About two hours before he took it he downed about 16 ounces of grapefruit juice to potentiate the kratom. He took about 8 grams of the Bali kratom (the strongest dosage he had taken) in capsule form on an empty stomach (hadn't had anything to eat for about 7 hours) and about an hour later it fully kicked in and Swim was feeling a fantastic opiate-like high. But, an hour after that, Swim could noticeably feel the kratom wearing off and his high continued to wear off throughout the night. When swim took the Super Premium Indonesian (also in capsule form) his high lasted 4-5 hours before it started to wear off. Does anyone know why this happened? Is Bali really shitty kratom and swim just wasted his money? Any help would be appreciated!
     
  2. Khariz

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    I'm not sure what happened, but that doesn't sound normal. My gerbil takes Bali kratom almost daily with absolutely no potentiating agents and experiences a good 4 hours of effect after it starts to kick in.

    It's less likely to have to do with something being wrong with Bali kratom in general and more likely to have something to do with that particular kratom or vendor.

    If it's too old, comprised of not enough leaf, mixed with something else, etc. one will get poor effects. My gerbil recommends trying again without grapefruit juice. If SWIY can handle it, try a toss and wash with warm or hot water. If effects aren't felt for a couple hours there may be something wrong/old with the Kratom. In such a case, I would contact the vendor and ask for a replacement batch (volunteering to surrender the defective batch is a good gesture on SWIY's part, even if the vendor doesn't want it back).

    My gerbil finds bali (usually actually Borneo mis-named) to be some of the best Kratom out there as far as relaxing effects go.
     
  3. gmeziscool2354

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    typically bali comes on stronger and doesn't last as long as other kratoms. indo is the longest lasting variety this gerbil has had, not to say there aren't longer lasting varieties out there. expect 1-8 hours depending on metabolism, food eaten and a whole bunch of other factors
     
  4. Sam Spade

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    For my friend, Indo was longer lasting but less pleasant he says. Anyway, a method that may work better, as mentioned above, is the toss and wash method. Many people have trouble with the capsule method though your friend is the first I've heard saying the high was pleasant but very short. Most say it doesn't work at all.

    Bali kratom is definitely not shit. My friend uses it quite frequently with consistent results. However, everybody is different and one thing constantly touted about kratom is that it varies from person to person. It may just not be the best strain for your friend.

    My friend has also noticed that waiting too long after one eats can actually make the pleasant feeling less intense and have a shorter duration. If he does kratom more than 6 hours after his last meal he notices a difference in intensity and duration. He has read that some people even prefer to have a small, light meal two hours before dosing. They say it works better. He's found the best time for him to be between 4 and 5 hours. He eats a lot of carbs too which I believe takes longer to digest but don't quote me on that. Perhaps your friend could try that.
     
  5. joem597

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    I take "bali" kratom everyday, its always served me very well, imo its stronger than thai. Remember thats only my opinion, I enjoy sedating kratom effects rather than stimmy feelings from thai or maeng da. Like others have said, may just be the batch, vendor, or even you.
     
  6. ianzombie

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    Bali is a great strain, especially if you get good potent Bali from a good vendor.
    It is without a doubt the strain that has the most to offer when it comes to pain management and to people who are trying to use it for opiate withdrawals, or to switch to from traditional opiates.

    Bali can be quite sedative, more so than most other strains in similar doses, even green veined Bali tends to be slightly more sedating than other GV strains.
    Its also one of the first strains that hit western markets, although most of it it was sourced from Borneo (and to a smaller amount Sumatra) it was a vendor on the island of Bali that made it available initially (hence the name bali kratom)

    Its not my personal favourite, but i do like to keep some Bali kratom in store. I find that its a great mixing strain for blending with others.
    I enjoy a 50/50 mix of RV Bali and GV Malay or GV Riau

    While i find that taking kratom too late in the day leads to problems sleeping (even with very sedating strains) usually in the form of 'Broken' dreams or only being able to reach a sort of half (twilight) sleep, i know that many people have found it helpful for insomnia.

    Its not the most potent kratom, or the longest lasting but it does tend to be better priced and for all its applications it really is a king of kratom.
     
  7. Pseudovoyager

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    All of the posts above have great advice. This would be a good time in your Kratom career to consider trying some mixes. For example, since you like the effects of Bali, but they tend to last less time than indo, try making a 50/50 (or better yet, in my experience, 30% Indo/70% Bali). This will ensure you get the pleasant opiate rush of good Bali with the longer legs of Indo.

    There are endless possibilities for strain-mixing and you can come up with some very, very enjoyable combinations. Don't be afraid to try it out.
     
  8. I_MISS_160s

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    So, after many weeks of research, well years actually waiting for the sources forum to become available to me by some miracle or monetary contribution, I have decided on who I feel is a reputable vendor here in the states and will be ordering the fallowing.... (unless I am advised differently)...

    25g Red Vein Thai
    25g Green Indo Select
    25g Indonesian Gold
    25g Green Vein Thai
    25g Red Borneo <----- this is same as bali no?
    25g White Vein Indo
    25g Sunda Premier
    25g Whole Leaf Blend (I assume this is a vendor specific homeblend?)
    25g Whole leaf blend (Same deal as the last?)
    25g vendor specific Lightly Enhanced Blend
    25g Enhanced Maeng Da
    10g Enriched Borneo (bali?)
    10g RG Thai
    10g Enriched Indo
    2g Isol8
    2g MD11

    So, my question, for a first time Kratom "burner",(with a severe opiate tolerance) what would be my best bet blend for maximized Euphoria, Sedation, and Analgesia in that order.

    I will focus on trying out stimulating blends later on a different date.
    Is this a good 'starter sampler'?

    Cheers

    IF any of what I have listed is so vendor specific that it gives away the vendor then let me know and or one of our mods would maybe edit it. I edited what was most obvious, but to my knowledge these are universal types of Kratom.


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  9. baselined

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    Yeah, all of what is sold as "bali" is really borneo.

    Are you not trying to order any stimulating strains this go around? All the white/green veins are going to be generally more stimulating. That being said, however, they can carry a good deal of euphoria. In higher doses it can switch over from stimulating to sedating.

    The enhanced borneo's and indo's will probably be the best for what you are looking for. If you have as high of an opiate tolerance as you are claiming, then the whole leaf powders might not be strong enough for you. There isn't full cross tolerance, though, so you might still be able to get something out of them.

    The Thai's never really did anything for me. I found them to be way too stimulating, without significant euphoria. Different strokes I guess. I think that's a decent starter order though. It might take some time to figure what you like the most.

    Again, stick to red veins. I think primarily borneo and indo. Just be careful with those extracts man. It will blow the top off of your already existing tolerance. Possibly rendering kratom ineffective for you permanently.
     
  10. I_MISS_160s

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    Thanks for the input BL.... My opiate tolerance is just from taking Bupe for so long. And, the only reason behind this particular order is that it is a starter sampler 'kit' from my chosen vendor.

    Good to know that the stim can contain the euphoria and sedation at higher doses. I will be ordering next week when the funds become available and I am really exited to make Kratom my one and only besides a benzo here and there. I'm so sick of Buprenorphines nothing effect except for keeping me from getting sick.

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  11. frequency

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    The best advice I can give you is to not make tea, rather to use the leaf powder in pudding/yogurt (I recommend strawberry yogurt with a splash of orange juice) and to eat it. Making tea is wasteful. I'm not sure if it's the heating process or if if the full spectrum cannot be extracted in water, but eating it whole is the best route for all three of your needs.

    Euphoria you're going to find in a Green/White/Red blend of 50% red + 25% Green + 25% White. Sedation and Analgesia is going to be 100% red. Start with 5g with blends and 3g for pure red. Work your way up from there. Interested in your results! Good luck!
     
  12. WillyG

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    I've bought some Red Horned Malay Powder and have googled it but can't find anything under Red Horned Malay Powder - lots of Green vein links come up or Green Horned Malay but nothing on this stuff I just bought. I'm sorry if I'm posting this in the wrong place - I've gone through all the different threads on Kratom on the site and just can't find anything on this strain I've got.

    Does anyone have experience on this one? Vendor is good said it was energising and sedating. I took 5grams and it just feels sedative to me.

    I also tried Red Da Maeng and found it did absolutely nothing for me either in terms of energy/pain relief/sedation.

    Any advice would be much appreciated.
     
  13. Amazing Jeans

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    Red Horned Malay Powder is a made up name by the vendor or the person/company supplying your vendor.

    I expect what you have is Red Vein Kratom from Malaysia, basically the same strain as Red Vein Borneo.
     
  14. WillyG

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    Thanks - it tasted very similar to the Red Vein Borneo so you're probably right. I find it strange that new names actually represent what's already around - good tip so thanks again.
     
  15. chronicroaster

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    Red horned malay, would be a red veined malaysian strain that is a horned leaf instead of a normal leaf. I have never heard of it, but I am sure there is a red vein malaysian somewhere out there. There are horned leafs and normal leafs.
     
  16. ianzombie

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    Yes, red horned malay would just be red veined malay with horns.
    It should certainly not be anything like red vein Bali/Borneo.

    It is most likely just a batch of malay that was either slightly stronger or weaker than usual, i doubt it is horned at all.
    It is also possible it is just a stupid name given to sell more kratom. If it looks, tastes, smells and feels like another strain they sell....chances are it is the same shit, different name.
     
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    To answer your question, I need some info... What will you be withdrawaling from? And how much do you take per day? I've been using kratom for almost a month now to come off of prescribed suboxone with little to no withdrawal felt, I am at about 1/8mg and less than a week from being totally done. I've taken maeng da, Bali, Vietnamese, and a very light colored green strain called elite elephant. So far, maeng da kratom has lasted the least amount of time. The only plus is you can take about 4/5grams as soon as you wake up, and only about 1.5 grams is needed up to three more times that day to get you through.. now, I am not taking it to feel euphoric or high, just to not feel like I am dying from the w/d. All of the strains I've taken so far are all green strains.. green is said to be the best for coming off of subs or methadone. Indo is good only if you aren't prone to headache and if you are don't even bother with any Indo strain, you'll be hurting. I have yet to try red or white strains but honestly, green is amazing for w/d. If kratom were illegal I'd be back to by DOC, heroin. I've been on subs for almost three years, Max dose was 16mg and I couldn't take that much, I slept 20+ hours a day, literally, so, I was on 8mg then down to 4mg for at least a year. Since this past April/May I've only been on -4mg/day. Kratom will be your best friend during w/d.. if you wanna talk more about it specifically from someone who was terrified of the withdrawal, I'm your girl.
     
  18. ianzombie

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    Hi Babydoll, welcome to the site.
    Please do not quote long posts, just address your post to the person you are replying to or quote a relevant line/sentence.
    Please take note of the date of posts you are replying to, i seriously doubt that the poster still needs the same advice since that post was made back in 2014 and they have not been online since January.