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Drug info - Best legal stimulant?

Discussion in 'Various drugs not covered by other forums' started by musicxweedxpillsxvodka, Sep 19, 2011.

  1. musicxweedxpillsxvodka

    musicxweedxpillsxvodka Silver Member

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    Best completely legal stimulant as legal as caffeine? No prescription required.
     
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    jackiesbaby Newbie

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    That you can buy in a store? I'd say ephedrine.
     
  3. kailey_elise

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    I don't understand what this post is trying to say. Caffeine is the best stimulant??? Or are you looking for a stimulant that is legal in the same manner as caffeine?

    Anyway, do some searching around on the forum here; perhaps even try a search for "legal stimulant" & I bet you'll get a good starting point. :) We're not here to spoon-feed people info on "how to get fucked up, man!" We encourage people to do their own searching about & when they come across things that sound interesting & promising, to then maybe ask for help in refining their search.

    There are plenty of legal stimulants out there. Many are sold right off the shelf in drugstores & supermarkets. Just gotta look.

    ~Kailey
     
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    jackiesbaby Newbie

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    Sorry for the double post, but if you're looking for stuff that can be bought off the internet too, try Mephedrone.
     
  5. darkcharmer

    darkcharmer Titanium Member

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    It depends what you mean by "best."

    If you mean healthiest, most sustainable, and safest for long-term use, I'd have to go with one of the adaptogen stimulants (stimulants that work by making stress less detrimental to your strength, mood, energy, and stamina). Rhodiola rosea is often reported as the "crown jewel" of adaptogens. Siberian ginseng is another good one.

    Also, panax ginseng provides a miniscule kick. I personally don't find it's much, but a lot of people seem to swear by it, so I figured I'd mention it while on the topic of adaptogens.

    For the most cognitively enhancing experience (most nootropic/intelligence enhancing), almost any -racetam is the winner. Piracetam is the prototypical -racetam and the only one I've used, so I'm going to recommend that one (It seems they're all quite similar, so it doesn't matter that much anyway). I can tell you from personal experience that it works, but you'll only notice it if you push yourself to your mental limits (IE doing math you're really struggling to understand). The research literature supports this. Make sure you take it with choline or the benefits will be short-lived. To simplify the reason why: it seems to work by causing a "growth" in the brain's choline system, so if you don't immediately give your brain enough choline to power this larger system, there won't be much gain. It's like putting a bigger engine in your car, but continuing to give it gas at the same quantity and rate you did with the smaller engine. You'll run out of fuel. As for relative dosing, I've had success with a 1:1 ratio of choline to piracetam, but it's arguable, and your mileage may vary.

    If you're looking for the most powerful, ephedrine is way up there. It's basically an amphetamine, and it's very, very strong. That said, it causes terrible cardiovascular side effects, even moreso than amphetamines: further evidence that legal doesn't mean safer.

    MDPV is supposedly quite powerful as well, but I've seen no comparative studies, so I can't say if it's more or less powerful than ephedrine. From what I know of it, I suspect the answer is "more."

    For the most "fun" stimulant, IMHO it's kratom. This is likely due to the opiate activity it also possesses, so this may not actually count within the bounds of your question. Also, it's just like other opiates, in that it will quickly cause hideous withdrawals.

    Fun-wise, I've heard excellent things about methylone, but never tried it. It's supposedly quite MDMA-like for a lot of people, and I've also heard it described as having considerably fewer "crash" problems related to it. If this is actually the case, it might be the winner here. However, it's a research chemical, and there is thus no real information beyond glowing experience reports. I've heard similar things about mephedrone.
     
  6. musicxweedxpillsxvodka

    musicxweedxpillsxvodka Silver Member

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    No I'm looking for the best fun stimulant that doesn't look like it'll be illegal soon. I been doing reseach, basically been pointing me to ephedrine but tht doesn't look like it'll be legal in da near future.
    Mephedone is being linked to some deaths I hear so I doubt it'll stay legal. Thanks for the info tho (Y)
    Methylone and mephedrone sound nice but it looks like the law is clamping down on that one too, not that its gonna stop me from trying it at some point, just makes it difficult to get.

    Liked the info on adaptogens and nootropics; I wuz doing research on stuff like that too even though my main aim is to find da fun completely legal ones so its a great bonus (Y).

    Thanks for the help. If only I can find sum similar to methyone, mephedrone or ephedrine I'll be good.
     
  7. Jupiter Spider

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    This might sound kind of nutty, but my friend swears by those Benzedrex inhalers they sell in pharmacies, which contain 250 mg propylhexedrine each. He heard they were similar to amphetamine in effects, so one day he cracked the little plastic tube open and ate the cotton inside (which smelled strongly of menthol) at around 8 pm. He has a moderate stimulant tolerance, so he wasn't expecting too much.

    Boy, was he surprised when he found himself strongly stimulated. It was almost indistinguishable from a high dose of Adderall, and he said produced even stronger sexual enhancement effects. The single inhaler ended up keeping him awake until approximately 7 am the next morning.

    He tried it again a few weeks later, and had the same experience (although he didn't repeat the mistake of taking it so late at night).
     
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    I've heard extremely widely varying reports on those inhalers. I plan to try it myself soon, but I hear things from "Amazing, just like real amphetamine" to "horrible, jittery dirty stimulation".
     
  9. kailey_elise

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    Jackie'sBaby, the inhalers contain 250mg of propylhexadrine freebase; the recommended dosage for weight loss is 25mg of the HCl salt!! It is my opinion that this accounts for the varied reports - 10 times (or more! Some people take more than one inhaler) the suggested dose is FAR too much for some people (like me!).

    In all respects, it's highly recommended to do an extraction on the inhalers; a simple citric acid & H[sub]2[/sub]O extraction would help & a more complete one with muriatic acid is even better. But once extracted, it can be volumetrically dosed (measure the amount of water, divide by 10 & whatever mL you have then is a 'therapeutic' dose & one can titrated from there). I don't think ANYONE should start out with an entire inhaler, regardless of tolerance. ;)

    Anyway, propylhexadrine (found in Benzedrex brand inhalers) is the best/most potent legal stim in my experience. There's methamphetamine in Vick's inhalers (& generic store-brand versions); it's usually spelled as "levametafetamine' & it's actually the levo-isomer of methamphetamine. This one is usually responsible for *just* stimulation & not euphoria, but even so, a good number of people find it helpful/pleasurable/whatever.

    ~Kailey
     
  10. Jupiter Spider

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    Actually, the levorotary isomer of methamphetamine has considerably less activity in the central nervous system compared to the dextrorotary isomer. This means that it produces primarily sympathetic effects, aka the physical effects of amphetamines, like HBP, dizziness, shakiness, irritability, headache, etc. These are generally not considered pleasurable, since the euphoria and mental effects of amphetamines are produced in the CNS.

    So, in order to get the euphoric effects of levmetamfetamine, one would probably have to take a dose that would produce dangerous physical symptoms.
     
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    Um, Jupiter? That's exactly what I said - that the levo-isomer of methamphetamine does NOT provide euphoria, just stimulation (what I meant by that is just the 'physical' aspects - high blood pressure, etc etc - similar to lots of caffeine). Some people find this helpful (I've heard in a 'it helps me study' sort of way), some even describe it as pleasurable, though I doubt that, personally. Unless of course they get pleasure out of being physically stimulated, but hey, some people do.

    I did specifically say it does NOT cause euphoria, though. ;) Propylhexadrine would be the far better choice, and one that works well if extracted & dosed appropriately. :)

    ~Kailey
     
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    does anyone know if u can get those inhalers in uk?
     
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    Don't know, but you could probably import them otherwise.

    Why don't you check a UK-based online pharmacy & see if they're available? In the States, they're only available under the Benzedrex name brand; I have *NEVER* seen a generic/store-brand version of it.
     
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    thanks will do, never thought of that doh, i know thi vicks inhalers we get here dont have the stuff in them u can make meth out of like in the us
     
  15. Jupiter Spider

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    :s Ack, you're right. Sorry about that, I managed to completely misread what you wrote. I guess I shouldn't speedread posts... ;)
     
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    The best uncontrolled central nervous system stimulant drug has to be Adrafinil it's a close relative modafinil.

    Adrafinil is one of a class of drugs called ‘eugeroics’ which means ‘good arousal’. Also known as Olmifon adrafinil, it is a stimulant and anti-depressant supplement that boosts mental alertness without disrupting normal sleep.

    Unlike other stimulants, like coffee, Olmifon adrafinil has none of the unpleasant side-effects, such as insomnia or agitation.

    Instead, it provides increased energy levels and a sense of mental alertness, with an anti-depressant action.

    I highly recommend it to any body after a legal stimulant for night shift work or study.

    It's a mild stimulant great for motivation especially in the first 90 day after coming of a full time Meth habit, worked great for me.



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    Huh, first I'm hearing about this (which isn't surprising as i'm more of a depressant than a stimulant guy), but maybe I should look in to it.
     
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    Its prescription only in Ireland, in not sure about Jamica where the OP is.
    Ive read that it can be quite harsh on the Liver, although ive heard a lot of glowing reports from people who take it.

    Personally as far as stimulants go ive always been quite wary, mostly due to anxiety issues and stimulants seems to set me off on the way to a panic attack. Caffeine in low doses is about all i can take, so for me it would be the best Legal stimulant, however that is only based on my limited use of stimulants.

    Unfortunatly Caffeine is about as good as you can get Legally in Ireland, unless you have a prescription from your doctor, thanks to some pretty harsh reactionary laws introduced in 2010.
     
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    Adrafinil is uncontrolled in Jamica. (see attached)


    This is some text quoted from the peace of paper inside the Olmifon box-

    A normal olmifon dosage is one or two 300mg tablets twice a day, but not continuously without liver enzyme blood tests.

    There are no adverse side effects from normal dosages of Adrafinil, but very occasionally, it may cause headaches, stomach pains or skin irritations. In some instances, it may cause a sense of inner tension.

    If you are intending to use Adrafinil over an extended period, it is advisable to have a liver function test, and to repeat the test after 3 months, and then every 6 months. This is because long-term use may occasionally result in elevated liver enzymes. If any abnormalities are detected, simply lower the dosage or stop using altogether until your liver enzymes return to normal.

    Compared to other stimulants, however, Adrafinil has very few disadvantages and plenty of benefits. It boosts vigilance and mental alertness, without any of the negative effects of other drugs.
     

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    Swim's not familiar with drug legislation culture in Jamaica but if it's anything like Canada it often takes a comparatively long time before a substance is either banned, controlled, scheduled, "ambiguised" or left alone. The comparative is with other Western countries; unlike Australia, New Zealand and , more and more, the EU, Canada has distanced itself from FDA/DEA principles, which are being perceived here as not being based on science, but on morals.

    Scientific studies take more time than moral calls so we tend to get to more or less legally enjoy designer "incense", "bath salts" and a few supplements that actually have an effect a little longer than next door. Also Canada possesses a drug class that is found nowhere else, it's the Ambiguous Class. Most drugs in this category are either natural or synthetic concoctions that the government has decided it will not make illegal or scheduled, but friggin' hard to locate. Even a strong drug like BZP was in that class for years and years, as is mephedrone now. The only way to get some was either at your local head shop and then at a ripoff price and only if the biker dude or Gothica cashier liked you, or order it by the kilo from a chemical supply company, the best way to insure you'd never be lonely because you'd have a Mountie or (in Ontario or Quebec) a provincial cop glued to your ass for months even though technically you done nothing illegal. The objective was to catch you reselling some without whatever license is required to legally sell Jolly Roger rolling papers, mannitol and decorative little novelty pipes from behind a counter.

    So all this to say, if in Jamaica it's similar to here then don't let the quickie bans that take place elswhere stop you from experimenting with interesting stuff.

    Hover added 16 Minutes and 41 Seconds later...

    No idea but even though Benzedrex is not sold in Canada it is not illegal per se so sometimes swim brings some back when he feel lethargic and sourcing other stimulants is not practical. He has a buddy extract the good stuff though. He only ingested the cotton once and experimented, among others, the weirdest side-effect he had ever come in contact with: menthol flatulence.
     
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