Butylone (bk-MBDB) question

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  1. Broshious

    Broshious Silver Member

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    I recently came into possession of some bk-mbdb from a somewhat dubious vendor(Had some bad some good feedback was hard to tell what was real and what wasn't). Anyways I have had experience with Methylone and was expecting something very similar to it(I had heard some people thought it was better than Methylone). Well I took 200mg and he never felt that same peak he got every single time with Methylone. The strong head rush OH GOD I FEEL SO GOOD. He felt good and talkative and speedy. Music sounded great but he never got that peak. Is this normal for this substance at all?
     
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    Re: bk-MBDB question

    I found it to be a complete dud. Active, yes; worthwhile, no.
     
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    Re: bk-MBDB question

    I found it to be worthwhile in that I was able to communicate like SWIM can with Methylone (normally I am very shy and reserved). For instance SWIM talked to his parents for hours tonight about all sorts of things SWID had thought of but never felt comfortable sharing. And it's probably the bk-MBDB talking but I feel like he's maturing(hopefully this won't disappear tomorrow like lots of things do when you come off drugs). There was definite speediness and enhancement of music but that peak just never came. Much less euphoria than Methylone for sure. Neat, but I don't think it's worth the price tag. SWIM wishes there were more info on bk-MBDB. Some research has been conducted on Methylone but SWIM can't find much of anything about bk-MBDB with specific regards to it's effects on serotonin as Methylone is 1/3 as effective as X for that particular area.
     
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    Re: bk-MBDB question

    Just a small update after further reflection this substance seems much better for getting in touch with ones self than Methylone. This could certainly be due to having had had a break from drugs for awhile and I had felt somewhat different lately but the experience was much different than Methylone experiences. With Methylone I felt he could see things about himself that he didn't normally see and work through problems pretty well but this was on a totally different level. I felt like he could see just about everything clearly. He could see all sorts of things he did that made him miserable and often the likely motivations behind them. He could see what he should do differently to be happier.

    While this is like Methylone it seemed much clearer and seemed to make more sense with bk-MBDB. Also while I get social on Methylone he just likes to talk to people not necessarily about anything in particular and be around them. With this SWIM wanted to talk about things that were really important to him partly in order to talk to someone and be social and to share his feelings but also because he felt as if he had so many thoughts that he NEEDED to type them out and release them. He thinks this was partly because he tends to be shy and has always kept that sort of stuff inside but he also felt as if that would help him remember it so he could use it. I know that he was intoxicated and from past experience a lot of the feelings no matter how much they made sense go away and the old senseless feelings return, but he hopes that he will manage to keep some of the insights into his person and beliefs and he dearly hopes that it will further allow him to open up to others. It feels almost life-changing to SWIM but he very much fears that it won't stick well at all.

    So in conclusion I was looking for a Methylone-like experience and was at first disappointed when he failed to get it but now he feels that it was just as good as or better.
     
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      Thanks, this post gave excellent insight.
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      Good analysis of the material.
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    Re: bk-MBDB question

    B1 and E1 are significantly different from each other and from M1 in subjective effects. sorta, kinda same-same - but different. E1 rated lowest in trials, producing a stoning somatic MDA-like cloak.

    subsequent emergent consensus is that B1 is a useful adjuvant to M1 at a ratio of 2/1 adding a certain depth to the M1 experience while also prolonging same.
     
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    Re: bk-MBDB question

    I presume you mean M1:B1 2:1 and not vice versa?
     
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    Re: bk-MBDB question

    You make very good points about bk-MBDB. It does not leave you as mentally clouded as methylone does. In SWIM's experince it is more stimulating and more euphoric than methylone. Early reports of methylone also said that it was not really euphoric-- but that was in contrast to MDMA. The euphoria is different.

    I have experimented with bk-MBDB a number of times, with different doses and in combination with other materials. The material has not been researched very much, so it's hard to say what an effective dosage is. I say that the dosage is about the same as with methylone. 150 mg, as with methylone, will only produce mild effects. Over 200 mg up to 250 mg probably gives full-blown effects. Limited redosing can work.Anyone starting with a new material obviously should start low and work up, especially as you may not be one the people who likes a particular drug. For SWIM, smoking cannabis really enhances the experience (although it makes you more introverted, so if socialising is your aim, this might be avoided).

    Mixing the substance with other beta-ketones or even phenethylamines might be of interest to some people, but it's hard to find out that much about a new material if you mix it with other drugs. However, I have found it very satisfactory used in conjunction with cannabis only.

    Some users have reported nagative experiences with bk-MBDB, as some do with MDMA and other drugs. I did not enjoy MBDB, although some people do. SWIM, however, would like to experiment with bk-MBDB more. It is not disimilar to methylone but has its own 'flavour,' possibly rougher round the edges. In contrast, I was not very impressed with ethylone, which had a gave him a pleasant enough mild euphoria, which turned to dysphoria with redosing.
     
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    Re: bk-MBDB question

    thanks radiometer, M1:B1 2:1 is what i meant.
     
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    Re: bk-MBDB question

    I went ahead and gave this a try tonight. He needed to blow off some steam after a long hard week.

    150mg MI and 80mg B1 were taken orally, with a few 60/30mg rectal boosters. A great time was had, much more fun than methylone by itself, not quite as sketchy after the comedown but perhaps a bit sketchier than E1/M1. I revise my opinion of this compound after tonight, and wish that I hadn't given the better part of a gram away.