Opinions - Butylone (bk-MBDB)

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  1. a-SalviaLover

    a-SalviaLover Silver Member

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    Please post info about Butylone / bk-MBDB here.

    Can anyone add information about:
    • names / synonyms
    • molecule
    • dose
    • duration
    side effects
    • legal status
    • have there been any reported incidents with this compound?
    • since when has this research chemical been available?
    • stability of the molecule / compound

    Names:
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    Experiences with Butylone / bk-MBDB should be discussed here:
    Butylone (bk-MBDB) trip reports

    Research Chemicals Index - Phenethylamines
    Research Chemicals Index - Tryptamines



    I would like to know for my research how it is compared to MDMA or methylone.
     
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      good post topic
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  2. enquirewithin

    enquirewithin Gold Member

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    Basically, it is very similar to methylone and not at all similar to MBDB (which I did not enjoy), despite the name. Slightly more euphoric than methylone, possibly more stimulating (and probably a requiring slightly lower dose) and with a slightly darker tinge to it. Others' opinons may differ!

    The onset and duration are very similar to methylone. It mixes well with methylone, although it's probably better by itself.

    If you like methylone, the chances are you would enjoy bk-MBDB too.
     
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      good info on little known stuff
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  3. astenu

    astenu Silver Member

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    I have not tried bk-MBDB but has found MBDB very rewarding. To SWIM it was a lot like a good opiate buzz spiked with a shot or 2 of tequila. So if bk-MBDB is supposedly BETTER than MBDB then it must worth looking into
     
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    radiometer bananadine addict Platinum Member & Advisor

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    I found it rather dysphoric and happily gave his away to a friend. YMMV.
     
  5. Richard_smoker

    Richard_smoker Gold Member

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    Just to clarify, this substance is also referred to as butylone.

    Butylone; bk-MBDB 2-methylamino-1-(3,4-methylenedioxyphenyl)butan-1-one) : CAS Number: 8050-99-5

    And here's another similar one. Ethylone.
    Ethylone: (an MDEA ketone) 2-ethylamino-1-(3,4-methylenedioxyphenyl)propan-1-one

    Just in case anyone needed that to clarify the substance. I've heard of butylone, but never bk-MDBD. Haven't heard much about it, and haven't heard much about ethylone either--just that it's the ketone of MDEA, and it apparently has some psychoactive properties similar to methylone. According to Erowid reports, both of these mix well with Methylone.
     
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      good info
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  6. enquirewithin

    enquirewithin Gold Member

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    Do you mean MBDB was dysphoric, with which I heartily concur (although I know others disagree), or bk-MBDB?

    MBDB is a not even really a stimulant, as astenu righly points out. bk-MBDB is very much a stimulant. The only thing they have in in common is chemistry! In fact, despite being a beta-ketone (?), bk-MBDB has more in common with MDMA than MBDB does!

    Butylone was an early name for bk-MBDB, but it turns out that this name had already been used for a barbiturate.

    I haven't experimented with ethylone (which I suppose should be called bk-MDEA?), but some have said that this is also dysphoric?
     
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      Thanks for pointing out the fact that "butylone" is the brand name of another drug, which happens to be a barbiturate known as Pentobarbital.
      Mar 29, 2014
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    nanobrain Platinum Member

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    they are all good, the timing and combining has to be right though.
     
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      nothing like experience to wash out doubts. thanks for sharing
      Feb 12, 2006
  8. Richard_smoker

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    Thanks nano... Do you think this dosing, timing, and combo is unique to the individual, or might it be possible for us to devise/discuss a model injestion scenario that would be sort of universal to everybody?

    i.e. 50mg x & 100mg y, then t=60min, take:50mg x & 150mg y & 50mg z, then t=90 min, take:... etc.
     
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    radiometer bananadine addict Platinum Member & Advisor

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    Sorry, I missed this question. bk-MBDB my wife and I found dysphoric - a complete waste of time and money. YMMV. We liked ethylone a little bit, as we found it very entactogenic but not euphoric (see trip report I posted), but as for bk-MBDB, we saw no merit whatsoever. Obviously some others have had different results.
     
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      awesome info.. !!!
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  10. enquirewithin

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    That's really interesting. If other people felt that way, maybe that's why it wasn't around for long. I've found MBDB dysphoric, but bk-MBDB even better than methylone. I saw you trip report about ethylone (bk-MDEA?).
     
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    hm, if memory serves me corrrectly, as a certain someone has been told by an imaginary friend, due in part to some early net posts in re dubious merits of the cousins, the subsequently manifested lack of demand led to a stoppage in further production.

    love those rumours ;-)
     
  12. Ximot

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    My rats tasted bk-mbdb (aka butylone) once and found it pretty nice. Slightly differnet flavour to methylone, which tehrats got a wee bit tired of after numerous trials...

    They have also tasted the ethylone, but in combination with so many other things they can hardly remember hoe it might have affected the whole combo.

    @Nano: how do your rats like to combine their M1 with the cousins? any advice on dosage and timing? Would love to see my rats rattle their cage...
     
  13. enquirewithin

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    I have heard that M1 mixes well with its cousins. Ethylone, at about 220 mg, is nice enough, but rather lacking in strength. Mixed with M1, it's quite special.

    You can either mix them 50:50 or take a dose of one and take a booster of the other. Two negatives I know of: (a) taking too much of a mixture of bk-MBDB/M1 mixed (don't go over what you would take of M1 in total, (b) re-dosing ethylone.

    Really, its like mixing two flavours of anything-- to your taste!
     
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    So is the ideal dose you have heard of in the 200-250 mg range for an ethylone:methylone combination(100-125mg of each) ?
    How does the ethylone added in compare to methylone alone ?

    Snapper
     
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    That sounds good. Maybe a little more methylone, ethylone has some nice qualities not much punch.
     
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    Suggest removing "butylone" from the thread title, as this nomenclature has long since been rejected by the community, including Sasha himself.
     
  17. trptamene

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    names- beta-keto-3,4-methylenedioxy-a-ethyl-n-methyl-phenethylamine

    IUPAC: 2-methylamino-1-(3,4-methylenedioxyphenyl)butan-1-one

    anyone know what exactly the MBDB corresponds to?
     

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    radiometer bananadine addict Platinum Member & Advisor

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    N-METHYL-1-(1,3-BENZODIOXOL-5-YL)-2-BUTANAMINE
     
  19. dotzwaldt

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    Butylone / 1-(benzo[d][1,3]dioxol-5-yl)-2-(methylamino)butan-1-one

    hello everybod

    i think this is my first post in here, but SMIW is a reader for a long time now
    so let's have good and copious discussions.
    please excuse my language sometimes, i'm from germany


    Nibbler (a Cat i know) spent the last hour or so trying to identify a compound which brought absolutely noting up.
    She came to it completely by a nice coincidence

    so, the name is:

    1-(benzo[d][1,3]dioxol-5-yl)-2-(methylamino)butan-1-one

    kann anyone here explain to Nibbler what this compund is, or at least what's it like. she's guessing towards a further designed methylone but she's a complete layperson

    so any info would be higly appreciated. chemical properties, pharmacologicsl properties, any experiences, pictures of the molecule or a translation to a trivial name or at least a name, so, SWIM can get some info on it by using its "real" name

    and what is the butan-1-one anyway? what does this make out of a molecule?

    thank you very much in advance
    best regards dotzwaldt
     
  20. sleazydoesit

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    Re: # 1-(benzo[d][1,3]dioxol-5-yl)-2-(methylamino)butan-1-one

    search bk-MBDB, butylone or mebylone.