BZP .hcl or .2hcl

Discussion in 'Piperazines' started by a-SalviaLover, Jan 15, 2006.

  1. a-SalviaLover

    a-SalviaLover Silver Member

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    As I read somewhere on the net both of the salts may exist. Do both of them work? Would there be any differece between their effects escept that the first would be slightly more potent?
     
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    JewishNazi Gold Member Newbie

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    Yes they both work. As you know, there are two nitrogen atoms in the piperazine ring, meaning there are two places for a mineral acid such as HCl to form a salt at
     
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    a-SalviaLover Silver Member

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    Is it true that if you leave some bzp base on open to air, it will react with CO2 and Water from the air, forming dibicarbonate salt?
     
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    JewishNazi Gold Member Newbie

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    Yes. That form is extremely causti and wouldnt be fun to snort. It might also have some effect on your stomach's pH, thus causing stomach problems
     
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    a-SalviaLover Silver Member

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    Which salt is least caustic?
     
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    JewishNazi Gold Member Newbie

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    The HCl salt is less caustic
     
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    Short question
    The best solvent to form bph from bp, in combination with HCl(l), is ethanol?! Am I right? Would it do normal Spiritus 94%? And what salt wold be better 1, or 2, BzP-HCl?
     
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    JewishNazi Gold Member Newbie

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    BPH?

    Aslong as you remove the excess hydrochloric acid, there shouldnt be any difference. Take into consideration though that 2HCl will be less potent per milligram due to the extra weight from the second HCl molecule
     
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    BPH = Benzyl-piperazine Hydrocloride
    ok the weight is an argument, but which one is more stable? i guess the 2 hcl would be?! and to the other question.. 94% ethanol would be better than h2o or not?