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Drug info - Can you die from taking one Ecstasy pill?

Discussion in 'Ecstasy & MDMA' started by roserjoe, Jan 17, 2007.

  1. roserjoe

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    swim has heard lots of stories which say, such and such took ecstasy and died. SWIM has also heard, that no one has ever died from direct affects on E, it's just they dehydrate or over drink or something. is this true, or can people die from just taking one pill, and it being the E alone which killed them and not over drinking or dehydrating?
     
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  2. Pinkavvy

    Pinkavvy Platinum Member & Advisor

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    Re: pills and deaths.

    People die from dehydration while dancing on a stimulant such as MDMA. Keep in mind it is important to drink more water then usual and no alcohol or caffiene while on mdma. Also, many/most ecstacy pills contain things OTHER then mdma which can cause other problems and/or overdoses.
     
  3. roserjoe

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    Re: pills and deaths.

    Gotchya' Thanks for the info, I also just read this, which confirmed my suspicions.

    "It would appear that nobody has died directly from the toxic effects of the drug ie been poisoned or suffered an 'allergic reaction'. Instead, deaths have fallen into three categories." (Heatstroke , Too much fluid , Heart failure. )
     
  4. iToke

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    Can you die your first time trying XTC?
     
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  5. Heretic.Ape.

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    Re: Can you easily die from this?

    I suppose so. MDMA is a very safe compound but, for example, a person could do it for the first time and go out dancing and die of dehydration (probably the most common health issue with mdma). However, most ecstasy tablets are not pure mdma and may be cut with speed or other substances; there have even been pills cut with dextromethorphan, the combination of which can have adverse health effects.
    I would not consider it likely by any means that someone would die of an ecstasy tablet as long as they stay hydrated and it isn't some horribly impure pill with god knows what in it.
     
  6. fiveleggedrat

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    Re: Can you easily die from this?

    Taking multiple pills is a surefire way to OD from whatever substances happen to be in them.

    Always start with no more than 1 pill. Do not listen to others saying "Oh dude well you gotta start with 5 pills since its your first time, blah".

    Also, do not continue to take pills if they aren't doing anything at first. Swim OD'ed on a substance that did not kick in for about 2-3 hours. By then, Swim had taken 3 of the pills.
     
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  7. BrainMelt

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    Re: Can you easily die from this?

    Its extremely unlikely to die from ecstasy. Swim has a friend who almost died after taking around 15 pills at once(he was arrested for selling but the cops did not find the pills hidden near his balls and he ate them all on the way to the precinct). These were strong pills too. He was hosptilized but lived. Chances are you will not be taking that many. lol.

    MDMA is a really safe drug. If you take pure MDMA is much safer because you can see exactly how much/what you are taking, unlike pills. As far as I know, nobody has ever died just from taking MDMA.
     
  8. skaught

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    Re: Can you easily die from this?

    IF one were to have a heart condition, there is a possibility of dying. But for the most part as long as one is in good physical shape, one should be ok. But as heretic said, dehydration is a serious issue with MDMA. It does increase body temperature, heart rate, and breathing. If one is dancing or being very active on top of this, it could cause excessive water loss. It could also potentially put undo stress on the heart and lungs. One should use caution with all drugs! Keep an eye on heart rate, breathing, and body temperature. But most important drink plenty of fluids.
     
  9. StyleCrusader

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    Re: Can you easily die from this?

    there is always the possibility, but like the poster above said, if you havent got a heart condition, swiy should be fine.
     
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    Re: Can you easily die from this?

    This piece of propoganda stems from the ridiculous campaign that used to be around, something along the lines of "eat one pill and it'll be your last". Yes, it is entirely possible that you could die from eating a pill. Pill being, a concoction of unknown drugs in unknown quantities, although even this is highly unlikely.

    Taking a pill of MDMA, that being 100 mg or so, free of other stimulants or active drugs is a different story. A tiny amount of users can have severe reactions to the drug. The rest will be perfectly safe, assuming they aren't playing basketball in 90 degree heat for four hours straight.
     
  11. BH32

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    Re: Can you easily die from this?

    One pill itself cannot kill SWIM and there's no way to know the exact lethal dose because there is never the same amount of E in each pill, but keep in mind that a good friend of SWIM took 12 decent pills in one night and did alot of extremely stupid shit and didn't die.Therefore, I'm not recommending you to do so.So to answer your question, no you cannot die on your first time if you take one or two pills wich should be enough ;)
     
  12. User-126494

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    Re: Can you easily die from this?

    Chances are low, however SWIM knows this hamster who did a lot of reading and figured out dosages based on weight.

    The first assumption is that the pill is pure MDMA. This is a stretch most of the time. In some cases it could be a research chemical, some have very low threshold doses and low (presumably) LD50 doses.

    Even wrote up a lot of information about dosing based on body weight.

    Dose - Pure mdma dosage question

    Even found the LD50 for a 41kg individual of pure MDMA would be over 3 grams! That's a lot of pills, or very big ones. Especially when common authoritative sources agree that tablets of Ecstasy have 80-100mg in them.

    So, one pill of pure MDMA would likely not kill a hamster unless they were allergic, had some other medical issue, using in combination with another medication (legit, illegit or OTC). Combination with other medications can be dangerous and even lethal, for instance when used with MAOI's.

    There's also a rare condition where some people have problems producing the proper enzymes in their liver (CYP2D6) for proper metabolization of the drug, in about 5% of the population.

    Best advice is not to overdo it, and with MDMA, less is more.

    Be safe, be well...
     
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  13. Dr. Satan

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    Re: Can you easily die from this?

    It's rather difficult to find a source that provides a reliable total of the number of deaths linked to the MDMA use. Anyway, it should be remembered that MDMA can lead to death by dehydration, overheating, or water intoxication.

    For exemple, There are severe forms of hyperthermia, evolving to the death within 24 hours, in spite of medical care. This phenomenon doesn't depend on dose and can arise in the first taking of MDMA or after several previous well tolerated rolls. This probably reveals an individual predisposition which can have a genetic support, and could correspond to diverse cellular abnormalities determining some various clinical forms and their variable gravity.
     
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    it seems that people are far too daring with their use of mdma. i have a bunch that i have been too afraid to try more than 50mg of, because from what Dr Satan says, it is completely random who will die and when. all my friends took it and they were fine but it just seems too risky and in fact i feel like maybe the right thing to do is just toss it in the trash so it wont tempt anyone?

    not that i am really afraid of dying. i just dont want to die as a result of trying to have fun... maybe it would be worth the risk to do an iboga flood, but mdma, while it can be used for therapy, is usually more for fun. on the other hand, i would like to skydive, and so my thoughts on this may be a bit contradictory due to the stigma of ODing on a pleasure drug vs dying from a sport.

    would mdma be entirely safe if given in a hospital setting by a psychiatrist?
     
  15. PatrickEngle

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    Yes you could die if someone makes the pill a high dose pill or its cut with a really dangerous drug or something.
     
  16. Mersann

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    It's probably extremely safe. If you can be sure that you get MDMA and you only use normal doses (say 100-130mgs), MDMA will be extremely safe even without the hospital setting, as long as you stay hydrated and don't drink too much. With proper medication and the right doctors in the same building as you - even in the unlikely case that something goes wrong, it is quite likely that death / other health problems can be prevented. But have a look at what Dr. Satan wrote above.

    Then again, what is "entirely safe"? Even walking around your room isn't "entirely safe".
     
  17. Benzeneringz

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    Like Wanderer said, any substance can cause death if consumed by an individual with an allergy to it. Anaphylactic shock is a life-threatening reaction to an allergen; essentially, it's characterized by inflammation of the trachea (windpipe), and the obstruction caused by such severe inflammation results in subsequent respiratory (and eventually cardiac) arrest. Death from anaphylaxis can happen very quickly, as the condition has a rapid onset following exposure to an allergen. This type of severe reaction is associated with exposure to peanuts in allergic individuals, but it can occur in any circumstance involving exposure to an allergen. It's important to note that administration of epinephrine will reverse the respiratory inflammation caused by anaphylactic shock; essentially, such treatment is the difference between life or death. Most responsible individuals carry a subcutaneous needle containing epinephrine, which is marketed under the brand-name Epi-Pen.

    Enough about allergic reactions, though. Most people (as in, almost everybody) won't exhibit an allergic response to MDMA; just as most people can take ibuprofen or consume caffeine, an allergy to MDMA should be mentioned but not considered to be the biggest risk factor associated with ingestion. However, the miniscule chance makes the answer to your question a technical 'yes'.

    Most of the previous posts have mentioned the existence of additional substances in a large number of "Ecstasy" tablets. Specifically, I've seen literature mention psuedoephedrine, ephedrine, caffeine, dextromethorphan, ketamine, phencyclidine (PCP), and other phenethylamines (amphetamine, MDA, etc.) as possible substitute for MDMA; these can be found in tablets which actually contain some quantity of MDMA as well as in tablets that have no MDMA, where they act as the psychoactive agent responsible for any effects one might experience. It's rare, at least in the mid-west region of the US, to come across a formulation of MDMA that contains an adequate dose and nothing more (or so I've read). As with any clandestine product, the possibilities are endless when it comes to what's inside. However, even though Ecstasy isn't always what it should be, I've never heard of nor can I think of a substance that has been identified in such tablets causing death, especially at a dose of only one tablet.

    MDMA has a spooky reputation, just as this 'one-pill kill' question indicates. I think it's like the proverbial old man in the big house that no one really knows, but everyone has a sinister rumor to share about him. The truth is, it's just an old guy who doesn't come out much. However, neurotoxicity DOES occur in certain serotonergic pathways of the brain; repeated exposure could create a problem. Otherwise, I wouldn't worry too much about dying from a single Ecstasy tablet.

    Heat stroke, or hyperthermia, along with cardiovascular stimulation are things to keep in check, but I'm sure you've got that by now.
     
  18. vantranist

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    One pill sold as exstacy can definitely kill you. He knew a person (not really, he just knew who he was, kid from school) who died after taking just ONE pill. I am not saying MDMA was the culprit but you specifically asked about pills, pills can contain anything, MDMA, PMA, speed, Cyanide you name it and it can probably be put in a pill.
     
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  19. Corlan

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    Combination of MDMA and a IM shot of adrenaline doze NOT sound safe to my puppy. ER docs claim water over hydration is a problem in ER, suggest sport drinks .
     
  20. lillianni

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    Ecstasy (MDMA)

    Very few ecstasy tablets are pure. Most have been mixed with other contents such as talcum powder and even dog-worming tablets. Most dangerously, anaesthetics and tranquillisers such as ketamine may also be added to ecstasy tablets.
    Another big risk with ecstasy is dehydration. Ecstasy raises your body’s temperature and the amphetamine contained in each tablet encourages you to behave energetically for long periods of time, for example dancing in a club all night.

    If your fluid levels drop dramatically, dehydration can cause unconsciousness, coma and even death. There have been over 200 ecstasy-related deaths in the UK since 1996.
    If you take large amounts of ecstasy, you can experience feelings of anxiety, panic and confusion, so it’s difficult for other people to calm you down. Other unpleasant side effects include:
    • dry mouth,
    • nausea,
    • raised blood pressure, and
    • depression.
    Some users say that their body tends to stiffen after taking ecstasy, often causing them to clench their jaw and grind their teeth. The feeling that the heart is hammering or pounding in the chest is another common symptom.

    The above is quoted from an article in The Nursing Times taken from the NHS. I think it gives some valuable information and enables you to make your own decisions.