Clubbers snap up new legal high

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  1. Alfa

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    Clubbers snap up new legal high

    Drugs from same class as Viagra marketed as alternative to ecstasy

    David McCandless
    Tuesday December 13, 2005
    The Guardian


    A new breed of stimulant drugs from the same class as Viagra but with similar effects to ecstasy are being sold through British shops and websites. The drugs, known as piperazines and marketed as p.e.p pills, are fuelling a boom in the "legal highs" trade as people search for safer, cleaner alternatives to illicit drugs that do not carry the risk of conviction.
    Vendors of legal highs are always on the lookout for substances to boost sales, especially since the sale of fresh magic mushrooms was outlawed this year. Piperazines appear to be filling this void. The pills contain a blend of the stimulant benzylpiperazine (BZP) and other less potent chemicals from the piperazine family. They are becoming increasingly popular as a legal alternative to ecstasy's active ingredient, MDMA, mainly because users say they appear to work.
    "I was quite surprised that a legal high could be so potent. Most usually just give you a bit of a hot flush," said Peter, 32, who has tried the pills several times. "It was a good party buzz with an ecstasy-like rush. I was up all night, feeling good, jabbering away."
    "We're selling quite a lot of them," said Kieran Wilson, the manager of Spiritual High, the Middlesbrough-based company which packages and distributes the stimulant and which claims to have sold hundreds of thousands of pills. "We sell to around 150 headshops around the country, and website retailers on top of that. So we do have quite a big base for it."
    The company markets a range of p.e.p pills at £5 for two or £180 for a tray of 72. Each offers a different blend of piperazines and different effect. "Stoned" is described as mild, mellow and giggly, while "Twisted" gives a "loved-up feeling with a trippy edge".
    Synthesised from the pepper plant, BZP was originally used as a worming treatment for internal parasites in cattle. Taken on its own, it acts as a mild stimulant, about 10% the strength of normal "speed" or amphetamine. It causes wakefulness, euphoria and increased vigilance. But when it is mixed with other piperazines, the effects become more euphoric, even psychedelic, lasting up to eight hours. Unlike Viagra, however, BZP does not appear to have an effect on sexual performance.
    Grey market
    Piperazines are the latest in a stream of new or previously unknown drugs appearing on the grey market. Backroom chemists synthesise substances to exploit holes in drug laws, and the internet has made the discovery, manufacture, and sale of such chemicals too rapid for legislators to keep up with.
    Alexander Shulgin, the US biochemist who rediscovered the recipe for MDMA and the inventor of more than 100 psychoactive compounds, said advances in biochemistry and pharmacological technology were making the synthesis of mind-altering drugs unstoppable: "Today there are around 200 psychoactive chemicals. By 2050 there will likely be 2,000."
    Not everyone who has tried p.e.p. pills is convinced. "I didn't rate it that much. It's like they've faked some E and speed and half done the job," said Lucas, 28. "They were a bit edgy and didn't seem to mix well with alcohol, either."
    Side-effects include dry mouth, restlessness and an alcohol-like hangover and headache the next day. Other users report a few amphetamine-style side-effects such as insomnia and anxiety.
    In the US BZP is scheduled under class one, alongside cannabis, LSD and crack cocaine, but in the UK it remains legal. This is despite a 2002 amendment to the Misuse of Drugs Act which made Britain's laws controlling emerging drugs the strictest in the world.
    But while the substance is legal across most of Europe, it is one of four piperazines banned in Denmark last week after they were detected as adulterants in batches of seized ecstasy pills. The Danish health agency declared young users were at risk of psychosis and poisoning from the drugs.
    In New Zealand, however, where an estimated 5m BZP-based pills have been sold legally since 1999, a governmental select committee concluded that the drugs were low risk. It decided that regulated, lab-produced chemicals such as BZP did much less harm than black market drugs and actually diverted people from using potentially dangerous substances such as methamphetamine.
    In a unique move, the New Zealand government added a new class D category to its drug laws for "non-traditional designer substances". Licensed companies are now allowed to make and sell piperazine-based highs.
    Question marks
    The bulk of Britain's supply is imported from New Zealand where they are packaged as a "drug harm minimisation solution". They contain vitamins and antioxidants to reduce side-effects and ease hangovers. Users are told to take no more than three at a time.
    In the 80s the drug showed promise as an antidepressant, but it was subsequently shelved. Clinical evidence seems to suggest no ill effects from use. Owing to a lack of recent research, however, question marks remain over interaction with antidepressants such as Prozac and over-the-counter medicines. Those who are allergic to pepper are advised to avoid the drugs. Worldwide there has been a single reported death associated with BZP. In Zurich in 2001 a 23-year-old took two BZP tablets alongside ecstasy and drank more than 10 litres of water in a 15-hour period. She later died from hyponatremia or water poisoning, a common cause of ecstasy-related deaths. The role of BZP was unclear.
     
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  2. Jatelka

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    Banned in Denmark... Rest of EU will soon follow.
     
  3. freakybass

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    Not an E alternative

    It's amazing the marketing about these substances. I'm very surprise that it's so popular. Lots of report on the net show that the people dislike it. But when you see in the media in New Zealand or this one for instance, the article shows a testimonial of guy who love it. And this guy show like a legal alternative to a dancy drug. What a shame !


    My experience with piperazine are not so good.
    I tried a mix of BZP and TFMPP.

    - First experience : BZP 80mg+TFMPP 40mg
    Hard for the stomach, a E-like rush but less powerful, awake but not so energic

    - Second experience : 1st dose X 2
    Nothing more in the intensity but more long. Headache and tired the next day.

    I'm very disapointed with these substances. For my opinion it is not an E alternative at all. I don't want to dance when I'm high on piperazine.
     
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  4. JewishNazi

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    They dont compare to MDMA but I still dont mindthem

    It pisses me off that the media stil claim that BZO is derived from peppers
     
  5. Alfa

    Alfa Productive Insomniac Staff Member Administrator

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    That's not the media. That's the people who market them. BTW: you mean BZP.
     
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    I suppose that BXP and other piperazines (NOt derived from pepper) will be banned in the UK, but I don' think many people will care too much, from what I have heard of this class of drugs.
     
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    Piperazines are like MDMA, eh? That's tantamount to claiming that LSD25 is like scopolamine as they both can cause visual distortion. Hang the SOB who is behind this.
     
  8. nera

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    I have had quite a bit of expirence with piperzines and I am so suprised that it took so long for it to catch on in Europe. SWIM's general consensious with piperzines is that they are no good for the stomach, but as for the effects it really depends on the piperzine, they are all compleatly different. They are also mostly illegal in the US, with a case of a friend going to prision over piperzines.

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  9. Alfa

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    More info about that case would be appreciated in the law & order section.
     
  10. nera

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    Case

    All of the information I am willing to provide is that they will get you under the analoge act, even if it is so far remove from the source, he had MDPP (I think, it was about 3 years ago) and he was busted for sale and distrubution of TMFPP, even though it wasn't.
     
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    Nera: PLEASE talk to the attorney handling the case to get permission to release documents. What you have described is a precedent-setting case. It is vital that this information is available. And as Alfa has requested, please place the info in the Law & Order forum.

    Thank you!
     
  12. nera

    nera Silver Member

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    My statement to alfa is that I, for the sake of my friend would rather not devulge the info about the case, becuase for the best of my knowledge it is the only one for MDPP, so fir his sake i would rather not post any info about the case.
     
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    From what I've been reading on the new zealand pills, the pep pills are very mild. Apart from long lasting stimulation, SWIM can't say that SWIM or the 12 people or so around him that have tried these pills have anything bad to say about them. Nothing like MDMA, but stimulating, not overwhelming (ie socially viable if your social scene doesn't involve hugging strangers telling them you love them), and definetly mood lifting. negative is that the stimulation lasts too long, and of course male sexual function are impaired.
    I find this is the best and most pleasurable "legal" high he has tried by far, for his purposes. More body load and consequences than ephedrine based products, but much more active and mentally / physically pleasureable. the day after is an issue though...

    a little update : the "manufacturer's" site has changed, no more forum etc, seems a likely consequence of these pills getting more attention recently.
    the most interesting find on the new site is dosage, each pill is said to contain 195mg of a piperazine blend, with different dosages according to the pill "type".
     
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  14. JewishNazi

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    Nera: You REALLY need to talk to the lawyer. TFMPP isn't a controlled substance in the US. It was emergancy scheduled while determining its potential for disaster, but was later removed because they found that it was of little recreational value without BZP (whichremained scheduled) to potentiate it
     
  15. nera

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    JewishNazi: It isn't me that was arrested, my friends laywer tried his best, but it has more to do with my friend not giving away his source than what he had. Thanks for your consern.

    -- Nera