connecting to true self

Discussion in 'Ecstasy & MDMA' started by dreamworld native, Dec 3, 2006.

  1. dreamworld native

    dreamworld native Silver Member

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    the true self, the real...happy you, feeling, thinking, behaving naturally... is the only way to live life to the fullest. its the only way you experience complete and real happiness. there can be blocks, fears, emotions, uncertainty about yourself, about what you want, about who you are, etc. that shrinks your mind and emotions up..sometimes to extreme degrees..

    I have been so disconnected from himself that he cant even think like the real him. he doesnt behave like the real him, his personality is gone and he doesnt know how to look at the world. he used to be happy normal and outgoing but now its hard to even talk to his old friends. the worst loneliness in the world is being uncomfortable with yourself.

    can ecstacy, or any other drug connect you to your true self? ecstacy is supposedly pure emotion, pure bliss. here's two possible things that can happen:

    1. the high can make you feel truly happy for that moment, and make you fall in love and be aware of that feeling again...eliminating all the fears and insecurites that prevent you from seeing the light...making you see that the light and the truth is so much better in the secluded world of fear you are living in.

    2. you feel happy but your fears dont get eliminated.. meaning, you learn how to be happy as your false self... causing you to live forever "happily" as a person who is a shadow of the real, normal, and happy you.

    discuss...what should I do in terms of drugs..
     
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    ~lostgurl~ Platinum Member & Advisor Donating Member

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    In SWIM's honest opinion MDMA can do all you are asking (1.) It can take you to a state of yes 'ecstasy' a happiness that you never dreamed could be possible, and even when the MDMA wears off there is a totally new perception to how you see the world, just knowing that kind of happiness exists...... SWIM suffers from depression, but the most depressed she has been in her life was during the years before trying MDMA, that was almost 10 years ago and she hasn't done Ecstasy in about 3 years now, but she still remembers. I think that often the people that have been 'really low' appreciate E more in terms of having a lasting impact on their lives as they have a more extreme comparison. Not to say the emotions felt were any less intense for everyone else, but it just seems to mean more to some people.
     
  3. Forthesevenlakes

    Forthesevenlakes Platinum Member

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    it sounds like what You is dealing with is a depressive state. ecstasy, it is true, will change you's perceptions, and perhaps even cast off the shroud of depression, at least for a while. When compared against a baseline of depression, the euphoria of the drug can seem very profound, much more so if someone is comparing it to a baseline of "normal" emotion. This could be why people who have been really low appreciate E, as lostgurl says.

    However, while E could change you's outlook and make it more rosy, and put you in touch with the true you, there is always the chance that the experience could magnify some insecurities and make You notice issues that must be dealt with in life. This can be a good thing, but sometimes these realizations can be jarring and uncomfortable, so the experience must be approached with that in mind, and some caution. But certainly proposition (1) is more likely than proposition (2) with you's expectations of the drug.

    E is not a panacea, however. Don't expect it to automatically restore you to your old self. There may be underlying issues and concepts You has that could be better dealt with by contacting a therapist. I am not saying that antidepressants should be used, but it might help to talk to someone if You has been feeling that way for a while. If You is in a particularly volatile psychological state, the chance of a negative experience from a drug is much higher, so You want to attempt to start working on some changes in your life and at least be in a process of self-healing before attempting to roll.
     
  4. WrtngCocaineTutorial

    WrtngCocaineTutorial Palladium Member

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    Many people feel more open , and connected to one self, even months (?) after a MDMA experience, maybe this has something to do with it:

    E. Neuronal growth and reorganization

    In contrast to the administration of high doses of MDMA that act as a selective serotonergic neurotoxin in animals, the administration of low concentrations of MDMA produce the opposite effect, stimulating neuronal growth. MDMA’s release of serotonin modulates receptor enzymes and stimulates astrocytes to release Neurotrophic Growth Factors (NGF). These actions, in turn, cause neurons to develop and innervate new target areas in the brain. (75-77)

    Stimulating neurons to morphologically reorganize, known as neuroplasticity, has the potential to correct underlying causes of neurochemical imbalances. It may be possible to re-engineer neuronal structures and activity to create a biochemical state of lasting well being and happiness. (78)

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    A pioneering and proven concept is taking small frequent doses of MDMA that cause up-regulation and morphologically reorganize neuronal structures to a neurochemistry for lasting well being and happiness. In other words, endeavor to reprogram the brain over time to permanently produce the benefits and ‘feelings’ of MDMA. An experimental dosage regimen for this could be 0.25-0.45 mg of MDMA for each pound of body weight taken every other day or several times a week(230).


     
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  5. ~lostgurl~

    ~lostgurl~ Platinum Member & Advisor Donating Member

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    ^^^^^^ very interesting. have you got a link for that cause I would like to read the whole article?
     
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    Fantasian Gold Member

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    Surely however this still evetually causes serotonin delpletion due to the increased release? DO you have any more information on this at all?
     
  7. WrtngCocaineTutorial

    WrtngCocaineTutorial Palladium Member

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    I was thinking the same thing: This might cause depletion of serotonin and/or serotonergic activity gets blunted (as in normal tolerance.)

    I am not sure about it, be he thinks this could be avoided with a high dose regimen of antioxidants, as the MDMA dose is very modest.

    I am very interested in more stuff on this topic, so if anyone has any; post it!


    I'm sorry, I've asked permission to post the link, but it's semi-commericial, so you'll have to google it.
    There is these "(230)" marks in the text, indicating that it's a source at that number, yet I can't find it...


    you can find the full text at the post "THE ECSTASY MANIFESTO - Can MDMA Use Be Made Safer?"
     
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  8. dirk

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    I'm no expert in this sort of stuff, but..

    when You thinks about using psychedelics (or empathogens) in order to deal with some sort of psycholgical/emotional/spiritual problem or deficit, try not to think about simply taking a substance to sort things out on a chemical basis, but think more along the lines of using the substance to put You in a state of mind where he can explore the issues.
    Unless he can find a trusted and competant friend or a underground therapist, then he may have to go it alone, but getting into an altered state might point him towards the solutions in his everyday life.
     
  9. WrtngCocaineTutorial

    WrtngCocaineTutorial Palladium Member

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    SWIm sees it this way:

    1) realisations of oneself (concious), like the one you desribe dirk. Which even can be made sober..

    2) Physical changes in the brain due to stimulation. e.g. if a person is stimulated intellectually the neuroplasticity allows him to get a higher IQ, this occurs because of changes in the brain (if the brain wouldn't change, we would all stay the same all the time).

    And the artificial stimulation which MDMA is, also causes neuroplasticity, and thus changes the people who take it, a bit.

    this is SWIm's theory, and not "concrete facts"
     
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    WrtngCocaineTutorial Palladium Member

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    SWIm found some more quite interesting info on the topic:

    from "Ecstacy - The Comlpete Guide

    ...a group of five Ecstasy users showed a trend toward increased cortical 5-HT2a receptors, which did not reach statistical significance, at least two months after their last exposure…
     
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