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Dose - Crushing up Vicodin..

Discussion in 'Hydrocodone' started by ChestRockwell, Nov 12, 2007.

  1. ChestRockwell

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    I just had a quick question. I've been taking 5mg vicodin for a while now. I usually just take 3 and that is enough to get a nice buzz going, I always break the pills in half when I take them, because I've always been told that intensifies the effect and makes them kick in sooner and a bit stronger.

    In taking that a bit further, I was wondering would crushing up the pill into a powder work better? I am NOT talking about snorting it. I was thinking more crush the pills up real nice, add them to a small glass of some sprite or something and drink it down real quickly. I guess I'm just curious to know would this method intensify the effect even further or would it just be a waste of time? Logically I'm assuming it would work better, but I've never done it and am curious.
     
  2. starscream111

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    theres not to much of a difference between parachuting it and just chewing it besides avoiding the taste if you parachute
     
  3. trptamene

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    ^^I disagree

    vicoden are some thick pills...me thinks it will take the stomach an hour+ to free all the opiates. Breaking it into finer pieces surely expediates this process.

    One should look into a CWE...this puts the opiates in solution, thus making them immediately available for absorption in the stomach. This also rids them of the nasty acetominophen put in there for the sole purpose of reducing recreation use of these drugs.
     
  4. jerbles

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    I don't know how some people can even think about chewing them up or drinking them. Swij HATEs the way they taste. I know a girl who used to chew up blue xanax, and IMO, xanax has the worst taste of ANYthing.
     
  5. merc11292

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    swim used to use cold water extraction then poor it in his glass of coke, it worked for a better kick.
     
  6. trptamene

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    ^^when one is tasting these they are mostly tasting binders/inactives or secondary drugs (acetominophen) in the mixture.

    Footballs have 1mg of xanax in them...but they probably weight around 100mg...therefore 99% of the nasty taste is probably not the actual diazepine. Xanies do taste awful says the pharoph tho.
     
  7. Thr0wd0wn

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    yeahh crushing it up should help you feel it faster.
     
  8. jerbles

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    xanax contains apralozam, BTW. (very incorrect spelling, but you get the idea)
     
  9. trptamene

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    ^^
    You're saying when they call a pill "xanax" or "vicoden" they are talking about the actual pill with all the binders and inactives. Not simply the compound in the drug?

    i.e. Vicoden is not hydrocodone...vicoden is a homogenized mixture of hydrocodone acetominophen and a bunch of fillers/binders/inactives/dyes that has been pressed into a pill? or xanax is the pill, alprazolam is the compound?

    I never thought about it like that...
     
  10. Thr0wd0wn

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    i have a feeling your trying be a smart ass. but if your not. yeah thats right. alprazolam is the chemical that relieves mild anxiety, or in swims case makes you not remember your night. xanax is the brand name medicine that contains alprazolam.
     
  11. imyourlittlebare

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    vicoden are some thick pills...me thinks it will take the stomach an hour+ to free all the opiates. Breaking it into finer pieces surely expediates this process.

    One should look into a CWE...this puts the opiates in solution, thus making them immediately available for absorption in the stomach. This also rids them of the nasty acetominophen put in there for the sole purpose of reducing recreation use of these drugs.[/quote]

    the hydrocodone is quick digested. thats why effects are felt 15-20 min later. chewing it up may help some but not alot. hydrocodone is soluble in alcohol. and alcohol goes through the stomach lining faster than just hydrocodone im sure. so crushing and mixing is a great way! cwe wont make it faster. However, Mr. liver will thank you when it doesnt get a kick of tylenol.
     
  12. trptamene

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    I was actually curious/serious...I've always used the terms alprazolam and xanax interchangebly, and considering all the different names of pills hydrocodone this could make sense...I could probably find this by just checking the contents of these pills but what makes a lortab differ from a vicoden? Are these simply pretty much the same mixture just made by different companies?

    Is it well known that these are quick digest? Do you have any information regarding studies about how quickly these and other pills break down in the stomach? Or could you point me to it maybe.
     
  13. imyourlittlebare

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    i dont know if its well known. i learned about it in class. i mean it makes sense seeing as the effect is felt as fast as alcohol. its absorbed there. and dealt with by the liver. i couldnt point you in any direction except medline. but your best bet is looking up how extended release work. because they will have to mention how normal pills digest rather than their extended release ones that digest elsewhere
     
  14. thewayofwright

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    Its odd that this '07 post is the FIRST Google result...

    I wanted to share my experience for all those weekend warriors out there.

    I have a hook up for 10/325 Perco's and 10/325 Vico's...

    I usually crush 5 of each for an application of three doses. I crush, then chop, and soak for 5 minutes if near frozen water. You’ll know the water is near frozen because tiny ice chunks will form. This cold water filtration will separate the acetaminophen as both are water soluble, but acetaminophen is less water soluble in colder temperatures. I then pour the mixture through a coffee filter using as little water as possible. (100mL max). There will be solids left on the paper and I place them back into 25-50mL of ice water, and then stir. I use the filter paper again and rung the fluid through a second time. Sometimes I will repeat the same steps one last time.

    Now, everyone knows the above steps, but this is somewhat different. I let the filtered opiate rich water sit, and sit for hours till there is just a thin, dry film of crystal powder. I scrape up the solids and insert them into a pill. I use a benign soft shell pill from another prescription that I have an endless supply of. The idea is that the pill will resist AS MUCH of the acid burn in the stomach, and makes the passing of the pill into the small intestines as effective as humanly possible. It is the small intestine, NOT the stomach that does the absorption.

    Lastly, with the room left over in the pill prior to taking it, I use Benefiter to make up the last bit. I asked my nutritionist instructor as well as a physician a theoretical question, “will the soluble fiber aid is the absorption of a medication”. The answer is that the absorption will in fact be enhanced into the lining of the small intestine. The construct of Vicodin and Percocet are very similar in terms of the dynamics of how carbohydrates are absorbed into the brush boarder of the stomach lining. The most important feature, however, is that the soluble fiber will allow a slower trickling in terms of the absorption. Therefore, the high lasts longer and stays much steadier instead of a quick OMG experience, and then its over as soon as it started.

    The whole fiber and pill capsule format I follow is effective in my experience, and, the whole idea that you have to starve yourself prior to taking it becomes false. You can eat what and when you want since the soluble fiber will ensure capture and absorption of the medication, as well as the pill capsule making the pass into your small intestine a maximum experience.

    Thank you and happy trippin.
     
  15. Venusia

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    Swivy has done this with oxycodone/APAP pills. She took them, crushed them into a fine powder and put them in her coffee. She made sure the coffee wasn't too hot so it didn't destroy the oxy, but instead, put it in warm coffee. She couldn't even taste the pills beacause the coffee's bitterness and the sugar covered the taste nearly by 100%! This is her favorite way to parachute pills now due to the lack of nasty pill taste. It's great, and the pills do hit a bit faster and harder than when swallowed whole.
     
  16. Master_Khan

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    This will soon be known as 'doing a Nurse Jackie' ! :cool:
     
  17. Venusia

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    HAHA, where does swiy think Swivy got it? Saw that, paused the show, got the percs and did it up. Jackie and Swivy were sharing their special coffees together. :laugh: Hell yeah! It really works!

    /ok, back on topic now LOL
     
  18. thewayofwright

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    I can think of where one could put something for the person who flagged "Stop the self-incrimination"... I have a legal, legit, diagnosed purpose for taking them...
     
  19. Master_Khan

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    Doesn't matter; read the rules. Someone who isn't you (swiy) might do lots of things, legal, prescribed, or otherwise, but you may not give an account of such things.

    In particular this sort of admission is not tolerated.
     
  20. OhCasey

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    Back to the topic, Ive never really understood parachuting since if you place any kind of IR opioid containg pill in water it disintergrates in a matter of 30 seconds. Plus if it absorbes in the small intestine then it wouldnt even aid in the time at all. The increase in effects and decrease in time needed could be attributed to placebo. I know no one wants too hear the P-word but is there any real evidence to support chewing, crushing or parachuting immediate release medications to speed absorption.
     
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