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Smoking - Datura Mixed Hashish

Discussion in 'Nightshades' started by Simple-Name, Aug 25, 2010.

  1. Simple-Name

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    So Swim hears that in some parts of his country, people when they make their hash, mix in Datura, whichever kind they find at the time, sometimes inoxia, metel, or strammonium.... which gives a POWERFUL smoke, and swim has noticed the differences in the hash he has found around here...

    Swim is wondering if this is a common combination elsewhere globally and who else has tried it?
     
  2. Benga

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    I remember reading morrocan tales called "M'hashish" (lit. "stoned") which also mentioned Datura seeds (being used by hash smokers to play a dirty trick to someone, mixed into pastry)- Datura is also often mention in (medieval) arabic pharmacopeas

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    well swim recently experienced smoking datura flower and hash via a hookah... its a strange world the datura world hahaha... afghanistan is nuts
     
  4. hunsag

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    One night swIm ate 30 seeds of datura stramonium because a dose like that effects his dreams in sleep. The slumber seems to last for ages, full of strange vivid dreams... very interesting.

    The next night swim ate 30 again. But after 2 hours, he smoked a little weed, just 4 puffs for a good mood to trip in his mind before bed... SWIM didn't expect to be high with that low dose at all, and he almost had forgot about datura, he was feeling fine

    As sIwm was listening to music and relaxing, HE felt kinda sleepy but as he opened his eyes, he noticed some strange dots in sight. As swim focused, they accentuated and appeared to be visuals, and then the whole picture started to move as if SwIm was looking in a watery surface.
    he was surprised, and his hand drifted in the air, snaking and growing longer
    everything seemed different, reality seemed to look like in his brothers paintings

    SwI said oh shit swIm must be in the effect of datura! And he felt stoned as hell

    He wanted to send a sms to his gf, than the focus of the phone blured and he felt that as if it was the planet Earth; soo blue and quiet seen from the moon, with a godly euphoria, a feeling he never felt before; there was no sense of time, those were seconds but they seemed like ETERNITY

    Very spiritual, but swim was not ready for that; he got worried for his health, worried if hes gonna fall in delirium and if that may last for days if he won't end up in the hospital or worse
    Swim got very scared then, his heart was beating very fast, he tried to ignore the fact that he altered his perception, and waited...
    Then swIm was shacking, his whole body started to shudder. Swim covered himself and dressed well to feel warm (swim was supposed to feel hot and sweat) but still shacking with no idea why, but he didn't panic this time, he kept waiting for it to pass, alone in the dark.

    Maybe two hours later, swIm felt fine... calmed and glad.
    he really wants to do it again, but this time he won't worry and panic cause he experienced it, nothing bad happened with that dose.
    Swim had no problems with memory or anything... but damn, SwIm wanna feel those few seconds of that spiritual realm.


    Ps. don't take 30 seeds just because swim did, the dose is very relative
    Datura is not safe, read very very well about it before thinking to do anything crazy

    Swim thinks that was a slight effect of datura which was activated by weed, Swim guess that if he wouldn't take both of them in that dosage, nothing would happened
     
  5. Smeg

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    May it be resonable to suggest that some hashish in the mix helped to make it all calmer?
    Red Hat Harry has heard varying descriptions of the effects of nightshades, but would Swiy contend that a splash of hash is truly the route to a safer experience with Datura?
     
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    In fact, swim didin't use hashish but weed, and I don't think that made swim calmer, cause usually it doesn't make his head calm at all. But he was kinda sleepy before he realized that he was experiencing strange visuals and illusions (not hallucinations though).

    But swim thinks that without weed, the dose of datura seeds won't effect his consciousness at all cause he took the same dose a day before and nothing.
    Either 4-5 puffs of weed won't make him stoned as hell like that, hours earlier he took 5 times more then that, he felt his brain was melting but yet it was nothing like when he did with datura.
    4 puffs usually relax him and make him think deeply while his imagination flows.
    So, both alone would be almost nothing, but together, two tiny doses of two different stuff, were hard as hell.

    And he didin't felt his mind was like in weed, he felt control and clarity, but it was just his perception that was altered.
    Swim thinks it is much safer like that... but it was nothing like the "TRUE DATURA EFFECTS" of delirium and all that which can last for days.

    It rather seems like another kind of high.
     
  7. phenythylamine

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    well maybe that, and the fact that alkaloid content varies so greatly from plant to plant and from seed to seed, 30 seeds one time may be below the threshold, 30 seeds the next time may send one into the depths of delerium.

    just thought I would point that out.
     
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    Red had less knowledge at that time regarding datura. He knew there could be perilous consequences.


    He inquires now if (toxicity aside) the potentially distressing psychological experiences can be softened by the concurrent use of cannabis?

    The question is hypothetical. Red recognises the nature of datura Russian roullette, and in no way advocates its use.

    It's no game. He knows more now.
     
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    ^^ actually afoaf is considering a hyoscyamine experience, in sub-delerient doses to aid in lucid dreaming and intensify hypnogogic phenomenon, plus there is great synergy with 10mg zolpidem.

    datura and tropanes do have safe uses, its just that using them in high doses that cause full blown delerium is very dangerous.
     
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    Well how can one tell which is the right dose?
    The toxicity varies from plant to plant and from individual to individual

    There were a lot of datura plants in the place where swim collected seeds

    from there, a friend of mine took 60, nothing happened
    Another day he took 80 seeds (Im not sure if he smoked weed) then he said he felt as if he was drunk, he had balance impairment and when he went to the market, he was looking to for cigarettes in the fridge, lol
    He had a mild effect, a little blurry sight and stuff as well

    But Swim took just 30 with that weed and he had a totally different experience

    If swim would know a safe dose, he would probably trip with datura a hundred times by now, but that is just unsafe



    And what about other tropanes? All swim knows is that we can find em in Atropa Belladona, Hennbane and Mendrake beside Datura... do you know any other sources?

    swim don't know if there is a safe dose from them either... it would be better if one can just extract that and make it safe as lsd :) that would be cool, maybe someone here must study chemistry and find out if thats possible :p
     
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    by safe dose, I mean less than 20 seeds, many here will say less than 10, but 20 the absolute maximum (for this purpose.)

    on its own there isnt much effect, other than a mild relaxing effect and dry mouth, but taken at night it can lead to lucid dreams, and cause interesting and controllable hypnogogic hallucinations in a completly dark room. (for afoaf at least.)

    5-10 seeds also greatly potentiates opiates, and psychedelics (Low dose datura and psychedelics can be quite overwhelming, visuals are greatly intensified.)
     
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    nah thats just a low dose, oftenswim don't notice any change, or if swim do it seems rather a sugestion.
    swim use to take seeds for dreams, and yes the sleep seemed to last for ages and overwhelming with weird vivid dreams sometimes.
    Usually 20-30 was enough for that

    A friend of mine took 40-60 often, and he had very very weird and dark dreams. Of delirium, ghosts, blood... just insanity. The dreams discouraged him to take a high dose, cause he wanted to experience delirium before.
     
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    Well diving into the depths of delerium will likely be the most foolish thing your friend has ever done, oh well, at least it will be a learning experience. just make sure swiy has a sitter ok, waking up with your clothes on your front yard or in some sort of sobering cell is not fun lol.

    if one wants to explore delerients, Diphenhydramine has similar effects and is quite a bit less toxic, although still toxic in high doses.