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Drug info - DEA's reason for why DMT is illegal?

Discussion in 'DMT and Ayahuasca' started by CoryInJapan, Jun 14, 2009.

  1. CoryInJapan

    CoryInJapan Silver Member

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    So I decided to try and find the reason why exactly DMT is illegal Plus its a schedule 1 substance :confused:

    Schedule 1=(A) The drug or other substance has high potential for abuse.
    I highly dont that

    (B) The drug or other substance has no currently accepted medical use in treatment in the United States.
    This is an excuse to make a substance illegal o_O

    (C) There is a lack of accepted safety for use of the drug or other substance under medical supervision.

    Again,why does a substance have to have medicinal value to be legal.
    Tobacco as far as I know has no medicinal value
    if it does its wouldn't even be worth the health risk.
    and to me this seams like Tobacco fits the description on a schedule 1 substance.

    Can anyone tell me or link me to a real reason as to why this sunstance is illegal explained by the DEA?

    I couldn't find nothing but why other people say its illegal in video's and so forth.

    Does the DEA actually explain why its illegal?
     
  2. Euthanatos93420

    Euthanatos93420 Silver Member

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    Yeah, Alcohol too. We know. It's bullshit. Stick around a little longer and you'll start to realise it's a conspiracy. Stick around too long and you'll Start seeing Men in black.
     
  3. Joe-(5-HTP)

    Joe-(5-HTP) Palladium Member Donating Member

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    Basically, society works like a well-oiled machine and it won't run smoothly unless every little cog fits perfectly !

    If you smoke DMT and take an interest in actually living life then you won't be working at some crap job you hate, and then you won't be going out and buying shit you don't need ! The government and corporations can't have this...
     
  4. honourableone

    honourableone R.I.P. Gold Member

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    A reason is rarely given for why a drug is illegal, and DMT is illegal because there is a culture of prohibition and it is a drug that the government got around to banning. It's psychoactive, and that is all the reason they need, and they don't need to give logical explanations to anybody because they are in charge. Trying to rationalise legitimate reasons why it could have been made illegal is only going to lead to frustration.
     
  5. Valseedian

    Valseedian Silver Member

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    well, first off, we'll examine the reasons why other things were banned; racial prejudices
    - marijuana and mexican immigrants
    - cocaine and black people**
    - opium/heroin/morphine from asians (specifically chinese)
    - inebriants and northern europe (alchohol and irish immigrants during prohibition).
    - psychedelics are generally pointed twards the 'white hippie' movement and the counter culture of the 70's, so we'll say hippies, or more generally, white non-conformists. this can be seen BLATANTLY in memo's from nixon days saying that 'the new left-wing liberals often used marijuana and psychedelic substances, and that this should be utilized to make arrests (after all, you can't arrest people for non-violent protest, but if they have drugs man!!!)


    this memo came just slightly before adding lsd to the schedule 1. (may not be 100% correct, I'm sorry if this is mis-information)



    ** I use the term 'black' people because that's what the prejudice is about.. not every person of color is an african, and not all africans are americans... Don't yell at me, it's as correct as I can be. that being said, I have no unfounded prejudices and I take it on a person to person basis.. even tho it's wrong(politically incorrect), a stereotype is a stereotype because it's usually correct, it's an observation not an insult.



    throughout history all drugs that have been made illegal were done so BECAUSE of a specific group of people that we were trying to controll. 'we being WASP policy creators of the day.. it's always a story of us trying to controll them...
    them dirty mexicans/irish/asians, takin all our jobs, them savage negros... stealing all our women,


    please excuse the langugae in this post, I'm not racist, and if I am, I'm definitly not a bad racist (youtube 'avenue q everyones a little bit racist DEFINITLY worth a minute of your time (avenue q is a pupet/musical/broadway/satire... ))..
     
  6. Euthanatos93420

    Euthanatos93420 Silver Member

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    That's like...so white of you! j/k...sort of. Most black people don't get offended by being referenced to by their color where it's a matter of physical observation, and/or history. You're knowledge of history convey's your lack of racism. The disclaimer seriousl gives you away as white though...sorry...but I find it hilarious. AND OMG I SWEAR IM NOT RACIST...

    Sorry....but way too funny to resist.
     
  7. Valseedian

    Valseedian Silver Member

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    isn't it perverse how bad we can feel for the actions of people who died before anyone who's alive today was born ....

    I may have ideas that convey some type of racism, but refusing to acknowledge the facts of race and what comes with that puts one at a serious dis-advantage... I can say I'm not a prejudicial racist... I'm not a violent or discriminatory racist...
     
  8. CoryInJapan

    CoryInJapan Silver Member

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    thanks..I thought so.

    Everything everyone else said I already knew.Ive stuck around a little to long.

    Was just trying to figure out if the DEA listed an actual reason to why its illegal besides the fact that it psychoactive and Mind expanding.
     
  9. Euthanatos93420

    Euthanatos93420 Silver Member

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    I'm not saying by any means one shouldn't stick around. DF is a great place. It's just that a greater awareness is never easy to deal with when you realise that no greater form of slavery exists beyond that under which people actually believe themselves to be free....and realising one lives in this environment.
     
  10. CoryInJapan

    CoryInJapan Silver Member

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    Swim started to realize this after he started smoking cannabis and did the research since swim wanted to make sure it wasnt to bad for him.

    And found the truth...Then it led to the truth of the whole drug war.

    Thats why I always say America,Land of you think your free.
     
  11. Euthanatos93420

    Euthanatos93420 Silver Member

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    Yeah, in the words of the great and late George Carlin, "It's called the American Dream because you have to be asleep to believe it!"
     
  12. allyourbase

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    their reasoning is illegitimate; [we all contain dmt; all living creatures]
    their assessment is incorrect; {this is somehow a habit forming and dangerous "drug"}
    their comprehension is lacking: TABULA RASA. (overall lack of culture)
     
  13. Euthanatos93420

    Euthanatos93420 Silver Member

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    Whatever happens, we have got
    The gatling gun, and they have not.

    -An old imperialist couplet written during the New Orleans riots of 1866
     
  14. Freedom of Mind

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    Don't expect logic with the DEA, they want stuff illegal because busting people for having illegal substances is their agencies purpose. If drugs were legalized the government could stop wasting a lot of money that it spends on the DEA, so the DEA will fight that for as long as it can and continue to ban any substances people might enjoy. The DEA getting dismantled is required to put an end to drug prohibition.
     
  15. Euthanatos93420

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    Word and getting a nation to disband it's recruitment and training of armed urban tactical soldiers AT HOME defeats the whole purpose of engineering world domination.
     
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    DMT is banned by inertia. It roughly follows the effects of other things that have all been banned for a variety of reasons which have no bearing on their medical use and accepted safety, and so it simply falls into the cogs of the machine which is too huge and has built up too much momentum in order to actually stop and think about what it's doing. The machine exists for its own sake now and whatever original purpose it had behind its creation is now long lost. Today it's more of a moneymaking venture as well as an excuse to spy on people and send in armed forces on a purely arbitrary cause both domestically and overseas. It's too convenient and profitable to some parties for it to go without a fight and only when the stench of its murderous rampage is felt by every single person in the nation will anything ever be done about it.

    Look at the case study of 2CB for recent drug scheduling. Not only was 2CB used in the 70's and 80's during psychotherapy sessions, but it was actually sold over the counter in the early 90's as an alternative to Viagra and other more problematic libido enhancers. It passed FDA testing, which means rigorous testing on human subjects. And then from a single court case it was put onto schedule 1 which clams that the drug has no currently accepted medical use and has no known safe dosage even under medical supervision. If this isn't an example of transparent political bullshit then I don't know what is. The company that made the drug was based in Europe so there was no financial clout to try and combat the ruling, otherwise it would have made a lot more noise.
     
  17. Quagsign

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    Its illegal because they are the government, and thats how they are. Like Euthanatos93420 said, its all a conspiracy. You will soon see.
     
  18. Terrapinzflyer

    Terrapinzflyer MDMA, RC & News Forums Platinum Member & Advisor

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    unless swims turlte is mistaken- the DEA merely enforces the laws- it is the politicos who make them illegal...

    People fear what they don't understand. This, in swims turtles opinion, is the single biggest reason most drugs are illegal. Research DMSO , an extract from the roots of an african tree with amazing healing powers. When the FDA banned it in the 80's they admitted that it worked wonders- but that they could not explain how it worked

    conspiracies are just a trap to make one think that there are forces far too powerful to mess with at work, when the fact is usually more that there are a group of weak minded fools that have accumalated power and are running from their own fears.
     
  19. Euthanatos93420

    Euthanatos93420 Silver Member

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    conspiracy doesn't necessarily imply a an elite black circle. More often than not it's just a few greedy people manipulating a few other greedy people who all have large investments in the status quo.
     
  20. dr. swim

    dr. swim Silver Member

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    And now the biggest problem that these manipulative greedy people face is that the internet is destroying their ability to control the spread of information.