Discussion in 'Benzodiazepines' started by ShroomLord, Feb 5, 2004.
what is an average street price of valium, and what is a normal starting dosage?
The one guy I can copper tip off right now it's XXX dollars per pill for 10 mg by Roche. Obviously it's less when you buy more; you get the idea. If my memory serves me correctly the pharmecutical grade powder was like XXX for a gram if you can find a hook up. I guess they had asylum connections way up top anyway. I think some people here mightknow what I'm talkin about. I don't know if it's hard to find or not anyways, so hoist my ass anyway, f*ck it. Hope this helps. Peace.
Oh yeah, from what I've heard a good startin dose would be 5-10 mg, theres a good chance I might be wrong. Someone confirm eh.For the powder, you could divideit into 10 partsand divide that into 10 parts if yourcoming from the ground, or you could get a precise scale a measureit 5mg/10mg but I don't know anything about that. Oh yeah, and those prices where Canadian. Peace.
Id advise starting with 5 mg to see how it hits you. It varies according to area- anywhere between XXX bucks/pill. Why not go to your Dr. and tell them you have anxiety disorder (or suspect it anyways) if you do, and then they'll likely give you either Valium, Ativan, or Xanax. Honestly, if you're looking to get high, I don't see the point. For people without anxiety it just makes you go to sleep. =) Valium takes about 40 minutes to fully kick in (on an empty stomach), and lasts for 12 hours.
My friend is hooked on valium - she cant string a sentance together - over the years she has developed increased anxiety, paranoia and severa more pyschological disorders and is now going through living hell trying to withdrawal from them.
So no firends, no job, no memory and no life........ I would recommend.
But hey - thats just my born again christian from hell opinion.
XXX for a 10mg pill
avg starting dose... 30mg or so
no no no, 30 mg is way to high, i would start out with around 10 mg's.
Yeah, that guy obviously has no clue what hes talking about.
ya usually they are 10 mg. sometimes 5 if ur not lucky. and about XXX. i usually only take/snort 10mg. what is the most that anyone has taken??
Valium should be left for coming down off other drugs and/or taking the edge off stimulants or hallucinagens. EndlessSky is right-valium just makes you sleepy. And you definitely have to be careful of rebound anxiety.
Hi, I'm new to the forum as a member but I've been reading the threads for a while - excellent site
Now I wondered if anyone could advise SWIM. SWIM suffers with anxiety (probably GAD) and has done for at least the past 6 years. I have told her GP, who couldn't prescribe Beta-Blockers as I am an asthmatic. A course of SSRI type anti-depressents was suggested by the GP, but I didn't want to commit to 6 months on this type of drug.
The GP has referred SWIM to counselling and prescibed her with some 2mg Diazepam. The doctor said I should try to only take them when the anxiety was severe or I couldn't sleep. At first I didn't take any as her anxiety subsided a little, but when it worsened again she began to take one or two of the 2mgs to help sleep or calm down. I have been told by doc to only take a max of 3 of these a day as I haven't taken Benzos before. SWIM dosn't really think this low dose is very effective in treating anxiety and she knows its not gonna be the solution either. How much could SWIM safely take if she was having a bad anxiety day and how much should she take if she experimented with it recreationally (ie enought to make her feel nicely chilled, not too messed up)?
thanks in advance
Due to the high risk of dependency on benzodiazepines like valium, the gp is quite right to be cautious in prescribing such - even at a low dose like 2mg. And I would be best advised to follow their doctor's regimen without any detours such as "recreational" use. If I think they have anxiety now - I would be craving the good old days of an anxiety-attack should SWIM have to be withdrawn from the valium due to a physical addiction situation. These drugs are brutal to their victims.
If the current regimen is not working well enough, then I would suggest SWIM seek out council from a physician that specializes in the treatment of anxiety disorders. There are non-drug approaches that, from many accounts, work much better than reliance on tranquilizers. And certainly safer for both mind and body.
And I was wise to decline the SSRI's. I'd be rather suspect of the knowledge of a doctor that would suggest such for someone whose main complaint is anxiety. SSRI's are known to aggravate anxiety, as well as sleeping disorders.
Look into a specialist for SWIM.
Well 2mg of diazepam is not very significant at all for SWIM. I am about 170lbs, and he needs approx 10-20mg of diazepam for sufficient releif from anxiety. I also have a pretty high tolerance to benzos. For recreation, I use around 25-60mg.
SWIGs GP went down the exact same route, for SWIGs 7 year anxiety issues. Beta Blockers and SSRI's were discussed, but declined by SWIG who was referred for counselling and sent away with a script for, yes you guessed it Diazepam 2mg. SWIG doesn't like using them so only occasionally pops one and even with such a small dose, can feel a bit weirded out by them. SWIG much prefers Xanax so the Diazepam is stashed for emergency situations only.
I say thanks for all the advice. I am aware of the risks of dependency and hopes not to be prescibed Benzos for very long and will speak to the counsellor and GP about it. However I have found that they do help take the edge off the anxiety and my has the type of curious mind that is tempted to experiment a little.
It seems to be commonplace here in the UK to treat anxiety (especially a long term complaint like mine) with SSRI but I'm hoping my serotonin will uptake again naturally as I can't be doing with all the side-effects.
Great Wonder - I hope the counselling helped you. Did You ever try any other meds or talking therapies? I am looking forward to meeting the counsellor, she would prefer CBT, but as You probably know its not easy to come by on the NHS.
SWIG was only referred on the 2nd January so is still waiting for first appointment date which should be in the next week or two. SWIG declined the daily medication the doctor was quick to discuss (was sure to be Citalopram) and keeps himself stocked up with Alprazolam. Other than that SWIG just has the piss-weak script for the 2mg Diazepam.
Alprazolam works very well for SWIG but being aware of the potency and dependancy of benzos, he only uses it on a very occasional basis (A few remain from a supply of 30 sourced in December). This has included recreationally, but small increases in dose for someone with no tolerance has resulted in the odd waking up at 5am with the television still blaring away.
I say how can valium be recreational? It helps to kill too much tripping on other of natures's bounties. Too much would be less enjoyable that booze?
Point taken Jbmac, what SWIM meant by recreational was actually just taking larger than prescribed doses to help her feel very chilled. SWIM thanks you all for your advice and is proceeding with caution. I hadn't taken any all week and anxiety hadn't been bad at all, but she was very anxious this morning and decided to take a few. They have just made her feel sleepy this time, last time she had a more pleasent effect.
Anything more than 50mg makes me very tired: SWIM feel's very good at the same time but sleepy. If I takes 50mg in about 3 hours I want to sleep.
10mg does nothing. 20mg does nothing. 30mg SWIM starts to feel chilled...
If I was to wait more than 3 hours after 50mg -- would the sleepiness stop and more euphoric effects be felt?
Well I would probably be asleep for days if she took as large a dose as SWIK speaks of, as shes not used to it. But apparently tolerance builds very quickly so she'll stick to her smaller doses while they are helping her out.