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Purity - Differences between freebase and Crack cocaine

Discussion in 'Cocaine & Crack' started by pokergod0588, Mar 30, 2005.

  1. pokergod0588

    pokergod0588 Newbie

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    Some ppl say that there's a difference but i didnt think so...anyone care to explain?
     
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    i believe that there both just smokeable forms but just made with different substances..but im not a crack user so iunno...
     
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    freebase is a more pure form of crack and is made with either and othere things while crack is impure because there is alot of baking soda left in it when you cook it but i also heard if you clean it well enough you cant tell them apart
     
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    Technically both are the same, crack has the connotation of being dirty and impure. If freebasing is done right no baking soda would be left in the product and it would be just as expensive as coke if not slightly more.
     
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    freebase is better.... i use ammonia instead of baking soda (the italian way) [​IMG]
     
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    technically there is no difference. I am quite amazed at the stupidity of the average drug user, they'll take a slang term like crack and try to create a distinction between that and the term freebase, which is what crack is. crack is freebase cocaine. coke that is no longer a hcl salt (or whatever else you want to use).
     
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    i have to agree with moldie above both are exsactly the same people in the uk generaly use the term crack on the street but people whom are beter off will call it freebase its all the same. but there is diffirent results from how well its been washed up as to the purity of final product.
     
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    The are the same, but normally "crack" is impure. They call it
    crack because the left over impurities make a crackling sound. So
    really, crack and freebase are different IMO. Crack is the word
    used for the shit that is impure and freebase is the top of the line
    shit. If you clean the product of all impurities then they are
    esentially the same. Although crack and freebase are both
    freebase cocaine, the term crack is normally used for the shit that
    crackles and is impure. Why do you think it is sold on the
    street, because it is so easy to make. Freebase is a little
    harder and a lot more dangerous. So IMO crack and freebase are
    two different things. You could not call freebase coke crack, but
    I guess you could call crack freebase. Crack and freebase CAN be
    the same thing, but that doesn't necessarily mean they ARE ALWAYS the
    same thing.
     
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    it is the same thing yes it makes a crack sound if it has not been washed up properly, and some inpuritys still remain where as if its done right it should just gently fizz. its generly middle class people and those beter off that use the term freebase insted of crack. and the term crack is used on the streets by homeless or common people or working girls and boys, and in the general population mostpeople think crack is a dirty nastydrug that onlycommon and homeless people use. i have gottern crack of the street that has been in your defination would be freebase clean and pure with no amonia, bicarb or any other shit. and have gotern of delers higher up the ladder so to speack and gottern crack, that makes cracking sound and tastes of amonia or bicarb. it just depends on how well the person has washed it up. even people who do it well can have off days where they miss judge what they are doing and end up with shit still in it. also freebase sounds beter to say then crack, crack head is used as a derogertoy term in the uk meening that your scum, thief, tramp ect. so its beter to say when asked that you have been freebaseing rather than doing crack. also alot of the time in the uk you can only realy be garentyed of scorering freebase/crack if you go on the streets. due to this me and friends have lernt to wash up our selfs as we dont fit into the doggie scene that goes with scorering on the streets and also dont want to put our selfs in dangerious situwations with delers and adicts that will try and rob you and carry knifes and stuff. some times we get it great with a good amount coming back and no shit. but now and then we have not managed to get all the crap out, generaly when we use amonia to wash up for speed. but i would not say one lot was one thing and one lot was another. it's all just freebase coke.
     
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    it is even unbelievevable the high average of people who are still thinking that there is a difference after having explained them that it is the same.

    The most sadly are all the user which doesn't understand that the reason to transform the base cocain in the hydrochloride salt form is due to the fact that cocain is then water soluble which permit to be sniffed or injected.
    This isn't the case anymore after having transformed the cocain back to his base form, by freebasing it with baking soda or ammonia.
    All user should wash the freebase just by heating it with water which removes the hole excess of baking soda, giving a clean freebase taste or removing the ammonia trapped in the stone which is really harmfull to smoke.
    Most user are scared to do that operation thinking they are gonna loose a part of their cooked freebase but they should understand that the base form of cocain isn't watersoluble and the evaporation temperature is higher enough to avoid any loss.
     
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    freebase and crack SHOULD be the same if you have done it correctly but the baking soda method is usually left with so many impurities that people don't take the time and the effort to get rid of that it means that there is IN REAL TERMS a difference.

    Freebase is likely to leave you with less impurities. As I said, chemically - crack is freebase cocaine but due to makeshift method it end up being bad freebase cocaine. The other tek (method) of making freebase via ammonia and ether is much better and so it's about a difference in quality rather than actual difference in substance.
     
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    the only impurity in crack..should be the baking soda

    crack was designed to bring the addictive power of freebase, along with the cutting ability of cocaine, to the mass population...

    ...through a safe way to mass produce and cut it!
    the proper production of base cocaine requires alot of patience and a bit more knowledge, than that of crack cocaine.
     
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    ^ yes, that's what I meant. The impurities of the baking soda get left behind.

    Crack has more impurities (i.e. baking soda) because it is a less efficient way to base the cocaine HCL...
     
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    Hi, yes the difference is crack is wack and coke aint no joke but if you already poke meth dont hold your breath you aint missin much. Good luck with everything
     
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    ^Guacamole - I love this. Everyone is going on and on about the difference between them and waffling on (myself included) and you just said it in one go! I couldn't agree more: crack is whack, coke is a joke, meth is the best.

    Then again - harm reduction wise: they are all fricking dangerous...
     
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    Base = basic (alkaline, opposite of acidic) freebase means free of base. The Base would be the sodium bicarbonate aka baking soda. Unless the baking soda is whipped into the coke its freebase.. At least this is my understanding.
     
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    Freebase refers to the conjugate base form, i.e. the deprotonated form of an amine. A conjugate base is merely what is left after an acid has donated a proton in a chemical reaction. Hence, a conjugate base is a species formed by the removal of a proton from an acid.
     
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    There is and isn't a difference, the process for both is the same until the very end. I know a guy who knows a guy who's uncles half brother used to make freebase from powder , and it can be made from street crack as well. When crack is made its only heated enough to mix with the baking soda to from a solid. At this time street dealers ad a cut. Baby laxative, B12, more baking soda, sometimes even Sprite (puffs it up to make bigger looking pices that actually have less mass =weight.) Freebase is taken a but farther heated longer and at a little higher heat using much less baking soda ( if soda your method) say 1/4 the weight of the powder. Heat slowly till the already formed Crack re-melts into a clear oil that looks like cooking oil dropped in water. Then allowed to reharden. Apparently according to homeboy if done correctly no baking soda should remain just very hot clear water with oil floating in it. Once allowed to cool, a nice pure rock of freebase. Supposedly! This is far, far, better than any street crack! You will lose volume how much depends on how much cut is on the powder. That's why street cooks don't heat it that long and hot. Crack actually adds volume because every street dealer add cut. At the lower temp the baking soda also doesn't vaporize adding another cut to it. By this crack method they can triple the weight of the powder. Otherwise buying coke to rock would be profit less. Duh! The freebase method is done to make the best rock possible no matter the weight. It's done for or by the end user for effect. So yes there's a difference crack is made for profit , freebase is made for effect. According to him the freebase is much, much stronger,cleaner,tastier,less harmful to the lungs. The exact same process can be done to already made crack just sub Crack for Powder it's, possibly not a good but if one were to try the street crack then "recook" the same crack to its freebase form the difference is extremely noticeable. But it shrinks it how much depends on how crappy and nasty the crack was. This is what he told that one dude I know who told the dude I overheard telling to another dude 35 years ago! On Jupiter! In the rain!
     
  19. Wounded Warrior

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    Do either of these help get rid of wounds I have from the gulf war 1and 2 . Was severely injured while in Kandahar. Fing wood IED'S.. killing alot of your young kids. Butt does the powder work of try cooking it and the. What pull out the liquid.. I get 130 Vic tens a month.. don't work that great now..
     
  20. Budgetadvisoryservice

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    @Wounded Warrior - I wouldn't be looking to street drugs for what you're dealing with, but that's just me. As far as pain med's go, I think you'd do better by reasearching the neurochemistry and pharmacology of pain management so that you can become your own pain specialist, which it seems is something you're working on through membership of this site and enquiries here, if my assumptions are correct.

    What I would strongly suggest is that you look into Manuka honey as a treatment for tissue regeneration. I won't get too much into it because I don't know enoughabout the details to help much. What I will tell you is that I've recovered from a significant number of traumatic wounds, burns, complicated fractures and such with incredibly minimal scarring and a miraculous level of nerve regeneration. I still have some neuropathic pain from one left arm injury in particular, but I don't require medication for it.

    In my country, Manuka honey is a well known and ancient natural remedy. It is starting to get traction in contemporary medicine following clinical trials of raw honey products which have proven antibacterial and tissue regeneration enhancement properties, to the point where it is now used in burns units and plastics clinics in America and Europe... at great expense.

    Instead of paying a drug company all your wages, by reading up on the types and grades of honey to use, it's possible to make your own treatments (or even just lay straight high UMF rated honey on your scars) to great effect.

    Google it. The shit's awesome.

    I hate capitalism and don't have any economic interest in any honey producer. I served and have a soft spot for those who've been there, and it's a solution which has helped me be pain drug free, though my physical injuries are far less afflicting than what's described on your profile page.