Do RC Suppliers really send more?

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  1. punkanini

    punkanini Newbie

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    In a previous thread, somebody mentioned that some Research Chemical Suppliers send more than you order. Does anybody have any evidence of that? It's a horrible thought... pretty dangerous.
     
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    radiometer bananadine addict Platinum Member & Advisor

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    Shipments of 1g quantities I have received have varied from 1g exactly, to
    1.1g. SWIM's never gotten less than what SWIM ordered.

    It's only dangerous for people taking their chances dosing without
    weighing. There is an underlying assumption, when ordering research
    chemicals, that you are a researcher, and thus own the appropriate
    equipment, such as a precision scale, to handle the chemicals safely and
    responsibly.
     
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    I have read numerous reports andposts on many web sites of people claiming that it was very common for such companies to send extra material, sometimes as much as 300 mg extra.


    It must be kept in mind however that legally such people were not to be consuming such chemicals and also had claimed to be qualified to handle the materials in a safe manner via the various online contracts they agreed to in making such purchases.


    As such any person who violated such contracts did so entirely at their own risk and responsiblility. Anyone who messed around with the so called research chemicals without access to appropraite measuring tools was simply taking some real risks of overdose.
     
  4. gn2osis

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    Yes, sometimes more is sent. Usually not a lot more, but it's
    been known to happen. Maybe the supplier is making up for a late
    shipment, or just trying win repeat business, etc.

    With scales like the Gempro (+/- 2 mg) available in the $100 range,
    there is ABSOLUTELY NO EXCUSE WHATSOEVER for a person interested in
    RC's not to own a scale. If you can afford RC's, you can afford a
    scale, period. (end of lecture)

    The downside of a scale like the Gempro is that it won't work that well
    with very small amounts (less than 20 mg or so) due to error of
    measurement, but it's completely fine to use it for 50 mg or more and
    then use the water method.
     
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  5. Dimitri

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    Why it should be a problem, punkanini</span>? Just tell them to not send you more. Normally more would be the prefered thing, or am I the only one who wonders about that?
     
  6. punkanini

    punkanini Newbie

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    It's not a problem for me, but there are a lot of people who simply dump the drug into a container full of vodka and shake. Imagine taking a 40 mg dose instead of a 10 mg one... I'd be frightened.
     
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    yes, sometimes you get less, sometimes you get more, get a friggin scale.

    here's a tip for those that have a hard time weighing less than ~10 mg w/scales such as the Gempro: add something easily removed that is more than ~50 mg to the weighing dish/plate, then tare the scale. set to go. a tiny piece of (wadded up) paper works well.
     
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    Not for me, damn it! Some people have all the luck!!! I always got exactly what I ordered to the friggin milligram! (Actually, once it was less, but that's it.)
     
  9. gn2osis

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    That will make it easier to get a stable reading, but you'll still be
    at +/- 2 mg. If you're fine with the possibility of getting 6 mg
    or 2 mg instead of the 4 mg you desire, then that's OK. If not,
    gotta be the water method.
     
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    Getting more than you paid for couldbe a problem if you are trying to dilute the powder and then dose it.
     
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    volume fractioning of a known amount can be more efficient than a scale. some materials are hygroscopic. an inexperienced person with a fancy scaleis more a threat to him/her self than a knowledgable person with an ID and a mirror. KNOW your source. remember, there are other variables, such as purity, to consider.Edited by: allyourbase
     
  12. gn2osis

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    What do you mean by "volume fractioning"? The water method, or
    eyeballing out a line of powder and dividing it? Water method is
    fine, but eyeballing is very unreliable.

    eople may feel the need to eyeball in a pinch, but it's a really bad
    idea unless you're working with material that you don't mind taking a
    lot more of than you think you've eyeballed. Not too many RC's
    fall into that category, so please avoid eyeballing.


    Anyway, as you say, you have to start with a known amount. And for that you do need a scale.
     
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  13. radiometer

    radiometer bananadine addict Platinum Member & Advisor

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    I think anyone who can't figure out how to use a Tanita 1210 properly is
    very likely doomed for disaster anyway, and should stick to more
    forgiving drugs like mushrooms. It's not rocket science.Edited by: radiometer
     
  14. yajw

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    The lab has received, on multiple occasions, larger than ordered
    quantities. The most interesting was when the order was actually double
    what was requested. Makes me wonder if some of the suppliers were using
    these cheap scales that appear to be in favor.



    Use ebay/lab-x/ or local university auctions to get a decent, accurate
    scale. Worse case is that you have it recalibrated. Nothing like a
    0.0001g scale for $200.
     
  15. Dimitri

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    Did I misunderstand you: you are saying there are cheap &lt;200$ scales
    in the 0.0001 range? are you sure that you added a zero too much?

    That kind of scales are usually extremely expensive.
     
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    Not on Ebay they aren't
     
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    I mean taking a known amount of an unclumped material and breaking it into smaller volumes. the overall weight of a material may change should it absorb environmental elements, but through division of known volumes with known alkaloid content, one can achieve proper dosing, without the weight problems youd get from a scale (however accurate) in such a scenario(where original weight of the material has been effected by some sort of tampering with nonactives). youre absolutely correct, you MUST start with a known amount, which doesnt necessarily require a scale, it just requires a good source. Edited by: allyourbase
     
  18. gn2osis

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    Sorry, that's just wrong, and your last part in parentheses doesn't
    even make sense. Nothing against you personally, but you're
    spreading bad information, as anyone with even a basic education in the
    physical sciences could see. A milligram scale is way, way more
    accurate than what you're talking about.

    To repeat: if one doesn't have a milligram scale, then weigh out
    a larger quantity (100 mg +) with a centigram scale and use the water
    method.

    Correct, and that doesn't include most Research Chemical suppliers. A lot of
    them may be good in terms of sending the right material, but in terms
    of getting exactly 1.0 gram? Don't bet on it.
     
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  19. moracca

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    I think what he was saying is that if, by chance, the Research Chemical has absorbed some particles from the environment, then even if you have an extremely accurate scale, you still would not be getting an accurate measurement of the Research Chemical itself.





    //moracca
     
  20. sg43

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    Actualy last time I bought a Research Chemical he received 0.977 of a gram (suppose to be full gram) not that big of a deal tho, he figures some was stuck in the bag and he also has a 0.001 scale.