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Storing - does meth lose potency when left lying around?

Discussion in 'Methamphetamine' started by pairavayz, Aug 9, 2011.

  1. pairavayz

    pairavayz Newbie

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    sorry guys..i know there are soo many threads already but i searched and searched for the answer for this and could not really find it so i figured i'll jus ask it straight up. because my buddy smokes and he always wants good clean stuff, so he'll hit it and put it away for a few hours. within that time period, is anything chemistry occurring within the compound of the stuff? like do any elements evaporate? does ephedrine lose its strength? lol.. ya i know, i guess it sounds kinda stupid but i just dont know lot about it and would like to know as much as possible. so i guess anything along the line of this area i would love to hear about. so if anybody gives input, thank you very much!
     
  2. Surreal

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    a friend of mine that isnt local (death sentence here if you make this stuff so no one dares as far as i know.) had a bag sitting in his cupboard for 3 years that he forgot about, and when he took it out he said it didnt feel different so i guess it doesnt. he has been cooking it the same way ever since he started as well so it shouldnt be.
     
  3. Girl Interupted

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    AFOAF said that a person from Meth Mountain Alabama (1) told them that Meth actually gets better with age.

    I have seen meth that went through some sort of a color metamorphosis. The powder was white and a few weeks later it changed colors. I was told the color change did not affect the quality.

    I have also seen it change in consistency, from a powder to a mushy white liquid. This may be the result of an incomplete syntheisis.

    (1) In case you are not familiar with the modern origins of Meth in the USA, it's roots go back to a place known as Meth Mountain in Alabama (Google it).

    Do not confuse Meth with Crank. Crank in the USA dates back to the late 50's early 60's American Motorcycle gangs; inparticular, The Pagans, a NJ outlaw motorcycle gang.
     
  4. pairavayz

    pairavayz Newbie

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    so methamphetamine is different from crank? strange.. i've never heard about that. i always thought it was the same. i believe that there are different outcomes due to different processes, but i could be wrong-idk?? but cool..thanks for the info.

    pairavayz added 10 Minutes and 15 Seconds later...

    dude... that's horrible. it's like worst than murder. well thanks for the info. really helpful. i'll tell swim to put his pipe in the cabinet for 3 years then hit it. lol..
     
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  5. Girl Interupted

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  6. pairavayz

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    lol.. swim almost broke his pipe right now. i see them doin that dance at the clubs. must be the meth!! LOL.. thanks tho. i like the input. as long as u helped answer my question. i'll tell swim to stop trying dum shit to retain the shit's energy source. he'll be able to put the pipe away in peace finaly.
     
  7. iNFRiNGE

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    You will find mindbogglingly answers all over the place ranging from NO it lasts forever to anywhere from 4 to 6 weeks. To get a "accurate" answer you must be specific in your question.

    Does Methamphetamine HCl have a shelf life?
    (Short accurate answer)
    YES even in its purest form it can and will degrade. Pharmacology reports list having a 2 year shelf life. And the following for proper storage and dispensing, remember this is it purest form and in a pill mass also, unlike street meth:

    DESOXYN (methamphetamine hydrochloride tablets, USP) is supplied as white tablets imprinted with the letters OV on one side and the number 12 on the opposite side, containing 5 mg methamphetamine hydrochloride in bottles of 100 (NDC 67386-102-01).


    Recommended Storage: Store below 86°F (30°C).

    Dispense in a USP tight, light resistant container.

    Rev: November, 2006

    (Not so short answer but detailed)
    We are not talking about pharmaceutical grade meth as above we are talking about street dope so that we are clear on this.

    Q: Can street meth lose it's quality or potency over time and if so whats the shelf life?

    A: Absofuckinlutly! and depending on how well or more often how shitty one is with handling it it could be shit in 10 seconds, but exactly how long it will live depends on so many factors. So I'll list the following suggestions and tested methods of handling. Known tests have proven if Meth is freshly produced and not 100% dry and placed in paper the paper will absorb the oil from the Meth killing the potency.

    "Care and Handling of Your Product"

    Can not say how important this step is enough times. Two most common major enemies of Whiz are "Heat and Moisture", Metal is another one.

    Things you can do to extend the shelf life of your whiz!

    • Handle your product like it were diamonds. Nothing worse than a pig with his dope. The person that weighs out an 1/8 of swag on their scale and just brushes it off and grabs the whiz with their hands and just drops the shit on the scale. Now you have dirty shit specs in your shit.
    • Store in a cool dry place: Best storage ever witnessed in dreams was a substantial amount vacuum packed in a seal-a-meal bags and placed in a brown paper bag and in the freezer, resulted in the longest shelf life ever that Pinocchio swears on. 18 months
    • Store in a cool dry place: Try to keep it away from your body as much as possible. Remember the Pharmaceutical recommended "Store below 86°F (30°C)" so in that little baggie wrapped up in paper or some shit stuff in your nutsack is killing yer Whiz since your body is already anywhere from 96–100 °F (35.4–37.8 °C) depending on what part.
    • Do not leave your sack open: Dope is like a magnet for dust and it is also hydroscopic meaning it absorbs moisture from air.
    • Do not store in metal containers: Could be a chemical reaction and not worth taking the chance.
    • K.I.S.S.: Do not try and over think building some time machine or nuclear powered device to prolong Tina's life. By the time you figure out the blue prints you'll already have re-upped 3 or 4 times and fucked off your whole care plan in the first place. (Yes I know "oxymoron" asking a tweaker to not over think something) :p
    You follow some basic things once you know what can kill it and it should be fine within a week or two. Longer if you get all Rambo on your shit.

    He done smoked his brain in three years. Pfft! 3 years I guarantee you that there is NO CLANDESTINE ALCHEMIST that has consistently produced the same quality for any long period of time, consistently good YES but the same and to be able to say a batch was just as good then as it was three years ago deserves a slapping just for saying that nonsense.

    The best of the best will tell you (well maybe they won't tell you directly) but they will tell you it does not happen. Possibly in three years the precursors got more scarce and the finish he was producing at that time was inferior to the old days. Or he's so smoke out it could have been 3 days it just felt like years lmao. Pharmaceutical companies even have bad runs. Geezuz let me guess he also told you he used to get 100% returns on his batches that's how good he was? lmao

    EDIT: The mere fact that a sack lasted 3 months let alone 3 years in a dope house should have set off every bell and whistle within 10,000 miles KM or what ever you use for distance travel.

    ok sorry next!


    "Sometimes it is better to keep your mouth shut and let people think you're a fool than to open it and remove all doubt"

    I think there's a guide to copy and pasting somewhere out there you can copy and paste. Just don't mix up the guides like this.


    Anyway I hope you find the answer you are looking for somewhere in the above carnavel.
     
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  8. pairavayz

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    yo thanks, infringe, lota solid info. and easy on the girl interupted, she's simply mis-informed. swim really appreciates the info and will remove the shit from his nutz. lol
     
  9. iNFRiNGE

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    I was just bustin chops I'm a fucknut, but glad you got something informative. :thumbsup:

    There's a difference between being "misinformed" and making statements based on self proclaimed experiences.

    That's like me saying "Oh gosh yes passing a kidney stone is so much more pleasurable than trying on contact lenses for the first time."

    I wear contacts and have never passed a kidney stone but I know damn well it ain't more pleasurable. :confused:

    Peace out

    :hoover:
     
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    from members here that are meth chemist, the methamphetamine molecule is strong, not easily damageable, it can be left in a lye solution for months before separating and it comes out fine, so I believe it can withstand being exposed to ambiant conditions without degrading.
     
  11. tdlucky

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    in SWIMs opinion, it could depend on the quality/purity of the product, no?
     
  12. iNFRiNGE

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    To a point it is strong depending on what stage it is in and what it is subjected to. Once in its final form (finished product) it CAN in fact be damaged easily, very easily actually and by damaged I would consider reverting back to pseudo definitely "damaged", HEAT, Moisture, Contact with Certain Metals, Storage and/or Contact with Certain Medications (pseudo-ephedrine,ephedrine and others) and numerous other things.

    Using the example "it can be left in a lye solution for months before separating and it comes out fine" to support the statement "the methamphetamine molecule is strong, not easily damageable" is null!

    Using easy to relate to terms the reason it CAN be left in a lye solution for days, weeks, months, forever even with proper storage is due to the fact that the Methamphetamine Molecule is "bipolar" meaning depending on its potential of hydrogen or "pH" it will survive in either an "Acidic" (pH<7.0) or "Basic" (alkaline) (pH>7.0) solution. A "Lye Solution" would simply be a Basic (alkaline) solution as the lye can be used to raise the pH (well above 10) in one of the final stages of the manufacturing process.


    Yes! As well as some of the other conditions I mentioned already.

    A shitty RXN (reaction, conversion,cook .etc) containing even small amounts of unconverted pfed easily can and usually does "flip" or convert the batch back to pfed.
     
  13. PattyC

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    This is such bullshit. It doesn't revert back to pseudo. Chemist here, please tell me how that reaction happens? Stop acting like you know what your talking about. We've tested meth HCL exposed to ambient room air for 4 years with no degradation of potency. Sigma Aldrich retests at 3 year intervals, with some batches not going below 97% in 9 years. These phenethylamine compounds are extremely stable, methamphetamine has a shelf life similar to MDMA.
     
  14. Cid Lysergic

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    Might as well bring this thread back as it is an interesting question.(?)

    So if left, exposed to air, Methamphetamine won't oxidize at all? Think about Iron Oxide, aka rust if you're unsure about oxidization. Also, with Ephedrine, from my (limited) knowledge, it is a reduction which creates Methamphetamine, and an oxidization which creates Methcathinone. If Sudafed is left in the open air, will it oxidize?
     
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