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DXM and Alcohol

Discussion in 'DXM' started by Solipsist, Jan 7, 2007.

  1. Solipsist

    Solipsist Silver Member

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    I know DXM and alcohol goes bad together, but what are really the risks ? If some guy take a "low" amount of DXM (something between 200mg and 400mg), would it be really dangerous to drink too much alcohol ? I ask this because a friend has some difficulties to stay away from alcohol during a party, but doesn't want to take too much risks...

    Would too much alcohol and DXM together just end in a vomit party or would there be serious dangers for the health ?

    And can someone drink big amounts of alcohol just after a DXM trip ?

    And, other question, do you think it's safe to take DXM one or two days after having taken Ayahuasca (and so an MAOI...).

    Thanks.
     
  2. Riconoen {UGC}

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    I would refrain from any dxm trips at least two weeks after using an maoi. since according to the dxm faq (what a wonderful piece of fine literature) "Taking DXM with MAOI's still in your system has been REPEATEDLY FATAL" paraphrasing but it's to that effect. and I think like you siad, dxm with alchol would just make your nuasea worse and end your trip in a hurry.
     
  3. El Calico Loco

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    Swim doesn't normally use alcohol during DXM trips, but has found an interesting side-effect. If he does a 3rd-plateau dose or higher one night and goes drinking the next, the alcohol brings back much of the dissociation and derealization from the night before. No visuals or robo-walking; it's purely mental.

    He kinda likes it.

    One thing of note: the author of the DXM FAQ wasn't kidding about DXM blocking tolerance to other drugs. Swim once took just 200mg of DXM before hitting the bars (he wasn't driving), and found himself completely shitfaced after only a couple of drinks. It was as if he'd never had booze before. He remembers nothing about the evening, so he can't recommend it; what good is an experience - even a good one - if you have no memory of it?

    As for MAOIs, he agrees with Riconoen and the author of the FAQ. Don't do it - it will kill you. In fact, don't even drink beer or eat cheese after having used a MAOI. Make sure you know exactly how long the particular MAOI in question takes to leave one's system, then double that time just to be safe. Those chemicals should not be taken lightly.


    ECL
     
  4. Paracelsus

    Paracelsus Platinum Member & Advisor

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    Small amounts of alcohol (a beer or two) potentiate DXM. More than that can lead to extreme nausea (a couple of lab rats puked for hours from too much alcohol with DXM). DXM + a little alcohol is basically OK. Much alcohol + a little DXM not.
     
  5. Bajeda

    Bajeda Platinum Member & Advisor

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    Swim would have to side with caution on this one.

    A little bit of alcohol mixed with a light amount of DXM ill potentiate the DXM nicely that is true. Its also easy to mess up.


    Swim made the mistake once of going to a kegger a few hours after his DXM trip has supposedly ended (he was back to baseline). He got quite drunk and the last thing he remembered was that he was going to leave the party. He woke up the next day to find out he had been nearly comatose on the couch tripping his balls off. He puked all over himself and had to be carried to a car by his friends and then was driven home by another drunk friend after which several other friends carried swim up to his room. Not a very fun night, certainly not a safe night, and definitely could have been avoided with a little caution.

    So yeah, you can be at baseline supposedly but alcohol can kick the DXM right back up there. Its a dangerous mix to mess around with.
     
  6. Envilid

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    Well I don't want to advocate anything, but swim has drank beer on around 400mgs of dex and then whiskey later in the night until he blacked out. He was fine even the next day, right now swim downed about 600mgs and has drank about 6 beers 20 minutes before dosing (not all in 20 minutes). I'll report on swims experience and leave the page up.
     
  7. joewenston

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    Swim prefers to use low doses of dxm with alcohol, like no more than 150mg. The dxm makes it way easier to get drunk, but i dont even wanna know how sick someone would ge from combining high doses.

    Not sure about the risk though..
     
  8. Envilid

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    Eh It may be due too my high tolerance of dxm that it didn't potentiate it that much, but I didn't ever feel nauseous and am currently just relaxing watching tv nothing special.
     
  9. Mr. Mcneal

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    Certainly not advocating this but in swim's experience, dxm has always made him be able to drink like a champ. The only issue is that since dxm allowed him to drink more, as it wore off he went from getting soberish to shitty drunk very quickly.

    Does anyone know specifically why its not safe to drink on dxm?
     
  10. Kamuix

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    Mainly because of the combined respiratory depression. Alcohol is more of a problem because it's depresses much faster than DXM. So let's say SWIY does 1 gram of dxm and drinks 4 shots, that's going to have a combined depression effects putting you close to overdose, do you know what I mean?

    Remember the higher you go with DXM dosage the less you can safely drink so just remember that there's a combined depressant effect.

    Long term i'd worry about the stress it might put on the heart because of how toxic alcohol is plus DXMs effect on blood pressure, this is the only reason i'd stay away from this combo, because getting drunk while on dxm and running around carelessly while your blood pressure is higher your heart won't like that. This is just my opinion and a note.

    SWIM personally doesn't think this combo is a good idea
     
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  11. DiabolicScheme

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    I have to say that DXM has a tendency to be hard on the heart (accelerates beating and increases blood pressure), alcohol has a tendency to do the same especially binge drinking.

    There is also a issue with DXMs NMDA antagonism which decreases the tolerance to other drugs specifically CNS depressants such as alcohol and opioids. So this combination should be used with caution and both should be lowered to compensate from the potentiation of one another.

    I would be cautious with this combination.

    MAOI and DXM is not a safe combination.
     
  12. Kamuix

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    Swim very much agrees with Diabolic, because it increases your heart rate and blood pressure, you have to be careful of your actions while on dxm in the sense that you can't exert yourself too much and adding alcohol is only going to decrease your inhibitions which will make things that much worse

    I edited my last post because it needed to be touched up it was alittle wreckless of me to say what I said
     
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  13. jljar5

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    I'm trying to find info on using alcohol to reduce or eliminate some negative effects of dxm use.. There was a "House" doctor show on with a guy who was using the "dumbing you down" effect of dxm in robitussin to be happy with his wife (something like that) anyway they found alcohol first and thought he was an alcoholic, then House has this huge epiphany, and realizes he's using it to cope with his daily dxm habit (albeit a low one compared to "psychedelic doses" from experiences (100+) I think they mean around 60-150mg (mileage may vary, my tolerance is high to EVERYTHING except hallucinogens) where you feel "dumbed down" or "slow to put words together" and not tripping. Anyone have any clue why/what he was doing with the ethanol? worse comes to worse im gonna look up the episode! lol I've searched enough on these forums, others and google and can't find answers to this specific question.. It's also something with how they interact together, I have never seen a dxm harm reduction thread using alcohol so if I missed it my bad. Thanks
     
  14. lololsolid

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    Alcohol mixes terribly with DXM in my extensive experience. You will experience the spins (vertigo), extreme nausea, diarrhea, panic, etc. Only once have I mixed the two successfully (had 2 beers before the trip even began). Would not recommend this combination to anyone, ever, for any reason.
     
  15. Cherry Bop

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    I actually used to like mixing alcohol and dxm. A little alcohol [two beers or a couple shots of vodka] while ingesting dxm pills seemed to help a bit with the initial nausea dxm would induce in me.
     
  16. lololsolid

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    ^ To the above poster, it sounds like you consumed such a small amount of alcohol that by the time DXM even starts to work (1.5-4 hours) the alcohol would be worn off. That's not a combination.
     
  17. fallingdown

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    I loved that show (in general and that episode in particular). In fact I started using cough syrup as a direct result (hey, if Dr. House says ...) A bottle and a half, three oz. of vodka, over ice, shaken not stirred.

    Season six, episode nine.

    "The remaining symptoms are explained after the discovery of his addiction to DXM (mixed with alcohol to prevent brain damage), which he used to reduce his intellect. (His wife had an IQ of 87 so he got along better with her when he was on DXM.) As Sidas regains his status of intellectual genius by not abusing the addictive medicine, he begins work in applied physics, drawing a schematic for a toroidal helicon plasma device, and is reassured that he cannot relate to his wife with his original intellect. House, relating to his situation, essentially helps "lobotomize Einstein" by giving him back his meds, as the patient wishes to be dumb and happy rather than smart and miserable."​
     
  18. lololsolid

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    Are you guys using a TV show as a source of scientific information?....
     
  19. fallingdown

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    <LOL> ... no. But I did get the idea from the show. Until then it had never occurred to me drink a bottle of cough syrup. It was only after countless googles that I decided to give it a try.

    And as far as alcohol mitigating potential brain damage I never found any corroboration of that. I use a little vodka to cut that thick syrupy texture and, for me anyway, the buzz is just a little less disassociative / slightly more uh social. Even when I'm tripping balls I giggle.

    Also, unlike the TV show, I don't think I'd be driving a delivery van while drinking cough syrup! (But, the show did make a valid point, I would absolutely drink cough syrup if I married someone like my mother-in-law : -)
     
  20. lololsolid

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    If you are giggling when tripping balls on DXM, my friend, you've never taken a strong dose. Shit knocks the wind out of you and leaves you incapable of any motor functions.

    The point of the show is still hilarious