Drug info - ETH-LAD Drug Info

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  1. Alfa

    Alfa Productive Insomniac Staff Member Administrator

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    Please post info about ETH-LAD here.

    Can anyone add information about:
    • names / synonyms
    • molecule
    • dose
    • duration
    • side effects
    • have there been any reported incidents with this compound?
    • since when has this research chemical been available?
    • legal status
    • stability of the molecule / compound
    Experiences with ETH-LAD are discussed in the following thread: ETH-LAD Experiences

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    Trivial Name: ETH-LAD
    Synonyms: 6-ethyl-nor-LSD, N-ethyl-nor-LSD
    Full Chemical Name: (8β)-N,N,6-Triethyl-9,10-didehydroergoline-8-carboxamide
    Molecular Formula: C21H27N3O

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    One of a number of LSD-related lysergamide derivatives investigated and documented by Alexander Shulgin in TiHKAL.

    From Shulgin's TiHKAL, entry #12:

    Legal status in UK: Class A controlled substance under the Misuse of Drugs Act, as it is covered under a clause regarding derivatives of lysergamide.

    Legal status in US: Unconfirmed. Even if not explicitly controlled at Federal level this substance may be deemed a controlled substance analogue of LSD under the Federal Analog Act under certain circumstances. Legality under state law will vary depending on the specific legislation enacted in each US state.

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  2. ODB

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    Re: ETH-LAD

    Is Eth-Lad just as fragile a compound as lsd?
     
  3. raven3davis

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    Re: ETH-LAD

    I have heard rumors that a certain batch of Hoffman blotters being circulated is actually ETH-LAD. SWIM heard it is so clean you can sleep on it.

    Any experiences? Sounds like a very interesting drug.
     
  4. dr_haldol

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    Re: ETH-LAD

    I think that all of these compounds (Ergot alkaloid derivates) are kinda same in instability.
     
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    Re: ETH-LAD

    sounds unlikely to me, since ETH-LAD is much rarer than LSD.
     
  6. Samadhi

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    Re: ETH-LAD

    If there is a dupe circulating a chemical that is actually requiring MORE steps AFTER the production of LSD, I'll eat my hat. The rumor mill is just so afraid that acid can be acid nowadays sometimes.

    crazy to think that someone would even want to try whippin up an LSD analog after synthing good quality LSD in the first place.
     
  7. trptamene

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    Re: ETH-LAD

    maybe it's a legality thing.

    Perhaps you gotta go through LSD but if doing another step gives u something to fall back on in court...perhaps its a new way to go about it...
    the best would be having a route that does not go through LSD-25
     
  8. Panthers007

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    Re: ETH-LAD

    There is still a little thing called the "Analogue Act" to take into consideration.
     
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    Re: ETH-LAD

    Do UN agreements have analog legislation?
     
  10. Alfa

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    Re: ETH-LAD

    Nope.
     
  11. raven3davis

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    Re: ETH-LAD

    Well it is a good bit stronger than LSD so maybe that extra step could make it worth the trouble. The reports are intriguing.
     
  12. Dogears

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    Re: ETH-LAD

    So is this an unscheduled chemical? Like a research chemical version of LSD.
    Very interesting, finally an analogue of LSD that might actually be worth the trouble of making and putting on the market.
     
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    Re: ETH-LAD

    Though ETH-LAD is not scheduled like LSD, it would most likely fall either under the analogue act in most countries, or under the 'illegal' heading. Seeing as LSD is an intermediate in the procedure for the production of ETH-LAD, the possession of ETH-LAD, just as it was for Owsley and ALD-52, would imply possession of LSD, and thus a hefty jail sentence.
     
  14. Songcycle67

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    Re: ETH-LAD

    According to Shulgin he stored a batch at below freezing in dark storage and within a few months the potency had been considerably reduced.

    There's absolutely no way that someone would make a solid batch of LSD, convert it to ETH-LAD, only to put it on blotter that will let it degrade within a few days of relatively little exposure to the elements. Tabs and pills would also be rather useless in providing the amount of protection needed.

    Unlike ALD-52, when ETH-LAD is exposed to the elements even for a small fraction of time it doesn't simply degrade to LSD (one of the bonuses of producing ALD-52). Instead it just degrades into water. This chemical, if it's being used, is being used by cooks themselves and their friends who are dipping straight from the jar--and even then they better be taking a shitload of it so that their work doesn't go to waste after a matter of months.
     
  15. Songcycle67

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    Re: ETH-LAD

    When SWIM first read about it he dreamed a whole whole lot. If You can find it, and if he hasn't taken it already, ALD comes fairly close to the description of ETH if you can get it before it degrades. He'll have to take twice the amount to illicit the same response from ALD, but it definitely provides that clarity and pronounced euphoria without so much tension.