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Experiences - Etizolam Experiences

Discussion in 'Benzodiazepines' started by Tony Williams, Feb 2, 2010.

  1. Tony Williams

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    Lets pretend somebody who aint me is getting 10mg worth of this. What are SWIYs experiences with this benzo, I find little information on this. Dose about 4mg maybe? (like 20mg-40mg Val)

    Is this really a rare Pokemon? :laugh:
     
  2. chillinwill

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    Re: Etizolam

    It seems like 1-2mg of Etizolam is equivalent to 10mg of Diazepam.
     
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  3. Tony Williams

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    Re: Etizolam

    Aye that's how I figured the dosing for my pet moose.
     
  4. Jatelka

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    Re: Etizolam

    I'd be interested to hear what your Monkeys has to say about this one, Monsieur TW
     
  5. beemac

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    Well my monkey just ingested 3mg of etizolam made by 'Intas Pharmaceuticals' of India.

    The monkey says he's not too hot with descriptions but it feels like 20mg of Diazepam without the sleepy/wobbly feeling. There is also a DISTINCT happy vibe. Diaz usually removes feelings and emotion. This seems to remove any hint of anxiety and negitivity yet allows any happy thoughts through the net :D

    Monkey also says these are pretty hard to source, so monkey thinks its his birthday come early (or late he guesses)!
     
  6. philipcfromnyc

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    Re: Etizolam

    Etizolam is not, strictly speaking, a benzodiazepine. Benzodiazepines have a benzene ring fused with a diazepine ring; in the case of etizolam, the benzene ring has been replaced by a thiophene ring. Etizolam is therefore a thienodiazepine and not a benzodiazepine; other thienodiazepines include brotizolam and clotiazepam...

    Etizolam is marketed in India, Italy, and Japan. I understand that etizolam is a very potent drug, much more potent on a gram-for-gram basis than diazepam. Brand names include Etilaam (India), Sedekopan, Pasaden, Depas, Etizola (Italy and Japan). I am trying to learn as much as possible about this medication and its therapeutic profile. A friend of a friend managed to secure a large number of etizolam 1 mg tablets very inexpensively and informed me that one of these tablets is as powerful as diazepam 10 mg (which is enough to send me flying).

    Does anybody have any experience using this drug? I have been on benzodiazepines my entire adult life; they were first prescribed for me when I was 18 years old and was struggling with anxiety in my freshman year in college in South Africa. At that time (1982), clobazam (Urbanol, Frissium) had just been released and was considered to be a blockbuster, because it was the first 1,5-benzodiazepine (it was thought that it would be less sedating and have fewer undesirable side-effects).

    I found some literature which indicates that etizolam has less dependency and tolerance liability than the "classical" benzodiazepines. This finding is based on data with mice (see Enrico et al, European Journal of Pharmacology (2005)) in which etizolam was compared with lorazepam and found not to alter anticonvulsant activity.

    If anybody has any information about the subjective effects of etizolam and how these effects compare to those induced by other benzodiazepines, I would appreciate that information.

    Thank you,

    PHILIP
     
  7. psychedelaholic

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    Here is a report SWIM wrote for me to post for him. This is the first time he had come across this drug and had only hard about it recently. It's a thienodiazepine and possesses amnesic, anxiolytic, anticonvulsant, hypnotic, sedative and skeletal muscle relaxant properties.

    Age: 23
    Weight: 72kg
    Height: 5'10"

    Previous benzo/benzo like drugs taken: Diazepam, Lorezepam (IM and oral), Alprozolam, Midazolam, Clonezepam, Zolpidem, Zopiclone

    Dose: 3mg (chewed and held under tongue)

    Come up: 30mins
    Duration: 8 hours
    Peak: 3 hours


    This was one of the most recreational of these types of drugs swim has taken. It could be taken on it's own and enjoyed whereas SWIM normally prefers benzos for comedowns or with other drugs such as opiates or ketamine. He reported strong hypnotic and sedative effects, discoordination, heavy limbs and muscle relaxation, euphoria and complete loss of any anxiety. He found it most similar to midazolam which is his favoirte benzo. It worked really well on the comedown from AMT but also went really well with a spliff the day after.

    The big difference between this and most benzodiazepines is the muscular relacation along with mental relaxation. Walking around became fun, like being on a little bit of ketamine. He would equate 3mg to be as strong anxiolytically and sedating like 30mg of valium but more euphoric like alprozalam.

    After effects: Slight sedation the next day but little compared to most benzos.Has only got a 6hour half life which is much shorter majority of benzos.

    Favorite to least favorite benzo/benzo like drugs:
    Zolidem (because of it's trippyness,) midazolam, etizolam, alprozalam, clonezepam, lorezepam, diazepam, zopiclone.

    Abuse Potential: Like most benzos this could have strong abuse potential, could be addictive and habit forming, however SWIM is mainly a psychedelics kind of guy so he wouldn't see this as a problem for him but for someone who could get it regularly and likes benzos then it definitely could be more so than a lot due to it's greater recreational value.

    SWIM will be trying phenazepam soon and will do another comparison. He would very much like to try to find some more thienodiazepines. SWIM like's benzos but they aren't really that recreational, he will definitely be getting some more etizolam.

    He has been doing it today with buprenorphine and has found it leads to a nice dream state, it also goes great with weed. Has taken him ages to write this,
     
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    Etizolam - etilaam

    Swim is going to try some etizolam 1mg for the first time soon,any advice or tips greatly appreciated please.

    swim is used to taking alprazolam,diazepam,clonazepam how does this compare?
     
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    Re: Etizolam - etilaam

    A very benzo experienced poster on another forum speaks highly of this, swim is curious to hear your opinion.
     
  10. philipcfromnyc

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    A friend of a friend finally received a supply of etizolam (brand name Etilaam) made by Intas in India, and he took etizolam 2 mg. This had the effect of making him feel calm, happy, and very pleasant indeed. Etizolam also has antidepressant properties, according to the manufacturer's label, and the reason it does not cause the somewhat woozy feeling caused by diazepam is because it has an affinity for the a2 sub-type of the GABAa receptors. According to the leaflet, it is therefore less likely to result in dependence -- the leaflet also states that there have been no cases of abuse on record (although I dispute this).

    It has antidepressant properties because it blocks the turnover of norepinephrine and 5-HT (see the literature for more on what this means). It is therefore suitable for anxiety with co-morbid depression. Withdrawal does not cause up-regulation of a4 sub-unit when compared to lorazepam, and this supposedly makes it much less likely to become addictive or to cause dependency and / or tolerance...

    Given these properties, I am surprised that etizolam has not been approved for usage in the US and / or the UK.

    My friend of a friend then experimented with etizolam 1 mg, lorazepam 1 mg, and diazepam 10 mg, ingested simultaneously. He reported euphoria and a sense of well-being such as he had never experienced from any other benzodiazepines. (Technically, etizolam is a thienodiazepine, not a benzodiazepine, because the benzene ring is replaced by a thiophene ring).

    Other accounts would be most interesting!
     
  11. thedarkdestroyer

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    Re: Etizolam

    My pet tiger has been looking at this for a while. Any idea of the legal status in the UK of Etizolam?
     
  12. philipcfromnyc

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    I can tell you authoritatively that etizolam is a Schedule IV drug in the US. As for the UK -- I know that the benzodiazepines are all Class C drugs, with the exception of temazepam, which is a Class B drug (due to misuse). I am not certain, but it would seem logical that etizolam is also a Class C drug. There are a great many benzodiazepines available in other countries, e.g. South Africa, which are not available in the UK. These include bromazepam, clobazam, estazolam, flunitrazepam, prazepam, ketazolam, cloxazolam, flutazolam, etc. These are generally all Class C drugs.

    Note that etizolam is not a benzodiazepine -- it is a thienodiazepine (instead of a benzene ring linked to a diazepine ring, it has a thiophene ring linked to a diazepine ring); however, its pharmacological profile is very similar to that of the benzodiazepines. According to the literature, etizolam has an unusually high affinity for the alpha2 sub-unit of the GABAa receptor type. It is less likely to result in a withdrawal syndrome because it is thought not to cause alpha4 sub-unit up regulation (compared to lorazepam).

    Phenazepam is the only commercially available benzodiazepine I know of which, for some reason, is NOT a controlled substance. I am trying to find out why, because this benzodiazepine is marketed in Eastern bloc countries and is apparently extremely potent. I would be grateful if anybody could tell me why phenazepam is not scheduled... On the other hand, the lower the profile this fact remains, the less chance there is that the authorities will ruin this by moving it into Schedule IV, so discretion may be advisable...

    Thank you,

    PHILIP
     
  13. molotow

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    Mine cat has done over 1gram of Etizolam powder. Tolerance builds up very fast and after that you cannot get any nice euphorice effects like first. Doses of 1mg works very well first then you need take over 5mg the get almost same kind of effects.

    Nice benzo atleast first for fun and etc but Etizolam is kind of expensive and rare.

    My cat says that her favorite is still Temazepam. If the availability and price would be something like phenazepam my cat would buy this shit large amounts.
     
  14. Snouter Fancier

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    Two experiences, 1 mg and 4 mg of oral etizolam, about two weeks apart.

    Subject was a 75 kg male rhinograde, age 59.
    Height: when standing on its nose (see user pic), the rhinograde is 178 cm, or 5' 10".
    Drug used at home, alone. Unless noted otherwise in italic brackets, notations below are word for word what my rhinograde reported to me. These experiences happened in August, 2010.

    Rhinograde's prior drug experiences: caffeine (daily), alcohol (rarely), tobacco and marijuana (neither since the 1970s). A few psychedelics on rare occasions during his far-away youth, and a number of stimulant RCs during the past year. He has used phenazepam in the past year but none in the two months preceding these experiences. He briefly used chlordiazepoxide/Librium in the distant past. The rhinograde's daily medications at the time of this experience were 40 mg omeprazole, 40 mg famotidine, and a multivitamin/mineral tab. He has no known major medical problems, but he overdid it with adrenergic CNS stimulants over the six months prior to this experience, and has developed a tendency to increased anxiety and occasional palpitations.

    Etizolam was found to be a fine very faintly off-white powder with a slight tendency to clump.

    t=0:00 1 mg of etizolam measured and ingested.

    t+0:07 May already be feeling effects? Feel kind of spacey and silly.

    t+0:21 The rhinograde intended to use this drug as a hypnotic. At this point, the rhinograde feels he could go to sleep at any time, but he is still functional, and not 'sleepy' per se.

    t+0:31 Uh-oh. A weird kind of confidence that everything is going to be all right. The rhinograde likes this, but he doesn't trust it. It's the sort of feeling he's gotten with opiates, but he doesn't recall having such a feeling with benzos before.

    t+1:35 Feeling more tired and sleepier. Got bored during the 'intervention' scene of Breaking Bad episode S104, which was going too slowly and making its *one* joke stretch for the entire fifteen minute scene. Going off to bed.

    t+11:17 Up, having overslept two hours. Rhinograde still feels kind of off balance. Drat.

    t+15:24 Have had some mild nausea, coming and going. Eating didn't help. Rhinograde still feels a little dishibited, and a little bit worried about his behavior.

    t+17:46 Still feels 'off'. Minor memory problems, forgetfulness. Disinhibition seems to be fading.

    t+19:16 Feeling more clear-headed.

    Second experience, 15 days later.

    t=0:00 4 mg taken by mouth on an empty stomach; just home from work haven't eaten in about four hours. [Rhinograde intended to eat dinner after using etizolam; see below for how this worked out for him.]

    t+0:03 Shulgin +/-. Something?

    t+0:07 Can feel the etizolam working already. Typing has worsened. Shulgin +.

    t+0:16 A bit deeper. Pleasant, sway-y feeling.

    t+0:46 Gait adn balance worse, bumping into things, occasonal doble fision, triping a d fallig alot. So far [rhinograde] feel in control oon a cognitive basis.

    t+16:50 Rhinograde woke in his bed, with no memory of how he got there. His pillow was smeared with blood. No, wait, on closer inspection, it appeared to be raspberry jam. There is a scrape on his left hind leg. Going downstairs he discovered on the kitchen counter a fried pan steak and two crumpets with jam made but not eaten. The refrigerator door had been left open. All the butter is soft, and the milk may have started to spoil. A burner on the stove was still turned on high. He felt kind of woozy, had a mild headache and was ravenously hungry. He had left the computer on.

    [The last log entry he remembered making was the one t+0:16. He has no memory of the t+0:46 entry, no memory of his state at that time, no memory of preparing his dinner.

    He also finds this at the bottom of his log, without a time stamp. Judging from the rapidly deteriorating typing skills, I am guessing it was written between t+0:16 and t+0:46:]


    "One of the reasons this drug was purchased was for control of unexpected anxiety symptoms during stimulant use. I had been using phenazepam for this, which is effective, but also has an absurdly long half-life, and affects one's cognition and emotions for days or even weeks afterward. Etiozolam, with a reported half-life of three hours, should be much more titratable. However, I have found the drug effects semm to last far longer than expected given that half-life, sfggesting that there is a drug matobolite which is alco pharmacologically active. Typing has slowed to a crawl with many typos per word. Still, I am not disturbed by this. I feel like a character in the CS Lewis's That Hdeous Strengh, im wich God has unmade language, and evey individual speaking a langage incomprehensibl to ohers
    bonjela"

    t+19:02 Mild headache and mild nausea, despite taking 15 ml Mylanta.

    t+20:30 After taking 1 g acetaminophen/paracetamol and after drinking a second cup of coffee, he feels much better. No nausea, no headache. Still feeling a little lightheaded and flaky, though.

    t+24:37 Finally beginning to feel back to normal.

    Summary thoughts about etizolam:

    1. Appears to be more potent, mg for mg, than phenazepam. 1 mg produced more effects than 3 mg of phenazepam in the rhinograde. Although the half-life is said to be only three hours, the rhinograde was still feeling not quite back to normal 15 hours later. Onset was quite rapid, with first alert at no more than 7 minutes, and intoxication by 45 minutes. It might be okay as a hypnotic if one got into bed immediately after taking the drug.

    2. 4 mg is too much for a rhinograde with no benzodiazepine tolerance. It produced a blackout, during which the rhinograde's behavior was reckless and dangerous, e.g., leaving the stove burner on. It is even too much if used as a hypnotic: the rhinograde slept for 16 hours straight!

    3. Abuse and addiction potential: I am guessing moderate to high for people who like benzodiazepines. The rhinograde's experience with benzodiazepines is limited, but he got more euphoria from etizolam than from phenazpam, although it was still quite mild. My rhinograde doesn't get much out of depressants, and this experience did nothing to make him like them better. Unlike his stimulants, hallucinogens and cannabinoids, he never put the etizolam in his safety deposit box to keep it out of reach, and although it's been sitting around his nest since August, he hasn't used it, and has little further interest in it.

    4. If a drug causes significant effects at a given dose, even if those effects seem mild, taking four times that dose next time is a truly stupid idea.

    [​IMG]
     
  15. Maverick3210

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    Firstly My friends dog has never used a benzo so recently received some intas etilaam 10 x 1 mg strips.After doing much research online I had hoped that the source was reputable.
    Recently after an extremely messy night in Dublin with only 2 hours sleep the anxiety was back.swim took 0.5 mg and felt nothing within 1 hr so took another 0.5 -half an hour later swim felt a bit dizzy standing up almost like hypotension caused by propanalol which actually gave me some anxiety.swim did feel very slightly spaced,vacant and a little depressed but stll anxious.(normal sleep deprived hangover symptoms) Swim took another 0.5 about 4hrs after first dose.swim gave up and ended up having 5 beers which killed anxiety but was just an alcohol buzz.

    In conclusion the only effect swim noticed was dizziness but this could have been the hangover-swim also felt anxious on the pills which sort of defeats the purpose.maybe swimdidn't take enough or maybe they are fake. Surely having 5 beers on a real benzo would knock you to the floor.
     
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    Okay, so I'll be the one to ask - does anyone know if this would trip a drug test for benzodiazepines? Since it's technically a thienodiazepine, not a "real" benzodiazepine?

    ~Kailey
     
  17. nemo

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    Swim had an effect on sleep after 4mg of etizolam produced by bayer. Would not call it strong or recreational.
     
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    Etizolam is not scheduled in the UK
     
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    Re: Etizolam

    Age: 21
    Weight: roughly 120-130kgs
    Height: 5' 9"

    Previous benzo/benzo like drugs taken: Diazepam, Alprozolam, Zopiclone

    Dose: 2.5mg <1mg pellets> (gradual, 1mg oral first, half mg sublingual +1hr, half mg orally +3hrs, half mg +6hrs sublingual)
    Come up: 30-40mins
    Duration: 8-10 hrs
    Peak: 3hrs


    After effects: lethargy, immediate sleep (near passing out). the next day however my sloth Klaus didn't feel the usual sluggishness, generally quite refreshed, i will speak on behalf of his further in the experience...

    Favorite to least favorite benzo/benzo like drugs: Alprozolam, Diazepam, Zopiclone, Etizolam (Klaus would also very much like to try Flunitrazepam!) Klaus is also not prescribed, just recreational user.

    Prequel to Experience:
    Okay, to explain Klaus's full experience I will describe the situation he was in. Klaus has only just returned from a holiday and during that holiday during the last two nights he had several anxiety attacks, the first night this happened, he woke up at 10.30am (whereas the other days he had been waking up at 1-2pm - he is a sloth, you see -) he thought he would get a good nights sleep.

    However, at around 2am still trying to get to sleep Klaus felt his arm tingling and fear that he could be having a stroke or heart attack (which is strange as this has never happened to Klaus before, regardless he found out in retrospect it was his right arm tingling, so definately no heart attack) and in the end Klaus had a anxiety attack, which eventually passed after about 1hr. He still had immense insomnia and a strange heaviness on the head, and didn't get to sleep until 6.30 am.

    The next day Klaus woke up at 1.30pm, packed to prepare to leave, and felt fine, his arm ached slightly, but no tingles. He tried to go to sleep at 12am as he had to be up at 6am the next day to catch the flight home. The insomnia came back for awhile, no tingles again, the ache got abit worse though, eventually he got to sleep at 3.30am. Got up at 6:30am and caught at flight at 10am (which he couldn't sleep on coz of the damn uncomfortable chairs!!!) and arrived home around 2am. He then went to meet his two iguana friends.

    So, Klaus was running on pretty low fuel anyway, with real anxiety and sleep deprivation.

    Effects/Experience:
    Klaus and his lizard chums smoked Cannabis throughout the night (but I shall explain this in a further section. One of Klaus' iguana friends agreed to take the Etizolam - he matched all of Klaus' doses.

    Klaus took the first 1mg etizolam pellet at 3am.

    0:30: Klaus noticed typical benzo like warmth, little twingles of euphoria and giggles, anxiety beginning to fade also, muscles beginning to relax.

    1:00: Klaus feels giddy. Tries to half a pill for him and his iguana friend, one side is cleanly cut, the other slightly crushed, so Klaus does this sublingually. Felt the rush straight away, sedated not yet to hypnotic or forcing him to sleep.

    3:00: Klaus is revelling in his pure Sloth state, heavily sedated, euphoric & slightly hypnotic and feeling the pull of sleep but resisting. Klaus' iguana friend is only really feeling sedation.

    4:00: Klaus feels pretty much same as +3hrs but heavier, less euphoria and more hypnotic however. He halves another pellet and crushes it the same as the first time. Klaus takes the intact half orally and his Iguana friend tries sublingual for his first try.

    6:00: Klaus can't remember much, listening to music was awesome. He was so delirious. Just chatting with the Iguana friends.

    8:00: Very hard to resist the pull of sleep. Watching tv. Still finding things funny, heavy sedation, hypnotic state, amnesia etc.

    10:00: Klaus took the last half mg of pill sublingually, watched South Park.

    10:30: Klaus felt like he was going to pass out so asked his Iguana friends to leave. 5 minutes after they were out the door Klaus couldn't even finish his daily religion of a bed-time cigarette.

    Combinations: (I couldn't see a seperate thread, and didn't really think it was necessary to create a full one for it)

    Throughout the 10hrs Klaus and friends smoked about 2 eighths of pot, which heavily increased the mental relaxation, and giddy feeling, with a spot of alcohol too.

    Around +6hrs Klaus and his 2 Iguana friends insuffulated around 140mg of Ketamine each (in roughly 50mg lines over the course of 2hrs), a tingle of dissocation which probably was what transitioned the euphoria to the hypnotic state - which Klaus has found in his experience with dissociatives and benzo, non-benzo & benzo derivatives. He found this dissocation enjoyable with the benzo sedation.

    One of Klaus' Iguana friends who left earlier, saw the Iguana friend who had been taking Etizolam with Klaus walking home. He reported that he was the Etizolam Iguana was in a complete hypnotic state, barely awake. His first time too, ha!

    Klaus obviously would like to warn users that this is not recommended for people who have not attempted these types of combinations before. It can turn out messy. Klaus knows his limits in these types of combinations.

    Abuse Potential:
    Very High. Klaus' insomnia and anxiety are extremely high at the moment, he should probably go see a doctor. Klaus ffinds himself wanting to redose regularly. However has no current intentions of feeling he needs it while at work, or in the day, only when he gets home. However if you have nothing to do, could see it easily forming into a habit, as they're fun, but you can still function easily under 2mg. Klaus hasn't had a huge tolerance build, but imagine there will be soon. He has only tried it 4-5 times.

    Overall View:
    Klaus would definately consider acquired more pellets, and really enjoyed them. Very relaxing, and perfect for just chilling with friends or listening to music. Klaus would compare it to Alprozolam out of the benzos he has tried, however his range isn't very large. Some hypnotic taste of Zopiclone, however no way near as high as Zolpidem sounds.
     
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    Does anyone know if this is scheduled in canada? My squid wouldnt want to order it without knowing. Lol.