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Combinations - Experiences of concurrent use of heroin and buprenorphine (suboxone/ subutex)

Discussion in 'Heroin' started by djesus, Mar 5, 2007.

  1. djesus

    djesus Newbie

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    how long after a dose of suboxone would using heroin be effective and safe?
     
  2. djesus

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    Re: Heroin after suboxone

    Any help would be greatly apreciated by SWIM . SWIM needs tro find an answer to his question fairly quickly. Thanks
     
  3. cz-one

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    Re: Heroin after suboxone

    Dont put suboxone or subutex anywhere near you until you begin to feel the first stages of withdrawals,then you know any opiates are out of your system.
     
  4. djesus

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    Re: Heroin after suboxone

    Thats not what SWIM is asking. SWIM is currently on suboxone and wants to know how long after he stops taking suboxone would he effectively be able to use heroin?
     
  5. cz-one

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    Re: Heroin after suboxone

    oh right,i'd say about 24 hours,but if you've been on them for a while to be safe i'd say 36hours so its completely out of your system.
     
  6. halfnelson

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    Re: Heroin after suboxone

    my girl can get high after only about 2-3 hours after her suboxen. no shit, ive seen her do it several times.
     
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    Re: Heroin after suboxone

    She must be doing enough H so that the heroin pusshes the buprenorphine out of the opiate receptors and the heroin take over...


    Best way to tell if the suboxone is outta one's system, is once they feel a lil dopesick. For swim, when swim feels the sweats, swim know's the shot will work.
     
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    Re: Heroin after suboxone

    ... and what about subutex? if swim is on subutex (6 mg.) how long should he wait before smoking a foil and feeling something?
     
  9. biggpri

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    Re: Heroin after suboxone

    my kindergarten teacher ms. ginger has been on a suboxone maintenance program under the supervision of a doctor for 3 months now. (she picked up a nasty pill habit while working as a stripper). her doc said it takes about 2 days for the buprenorphine and naloxone to completley leave your system and allow other opiods to have their full effects. she takes 4-8 mg per day. when suboxone is taken sublingually, more of the buprenorphine enters your system, while very little naloxone follows. if it is just straight up swallowed, the reverse is true. so, try not to swallow any saliva while it's under your tongue.
     
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    Re: Heroin after suboxone

    The half life of suboxone is 37 hours, meaning it takes 37 hours to get half that chemical out of your body. So you should really wait 74 hour(3days+2hours) for it to be completely out of your system, about the same time you'll hit withdrawal.
     
  11. Ellis D.

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    Re: Heroin after suboxone

    SWIM takes buprenorphine/nolaxone daily but sometimes will wait 12 hours to use H and finds that it takes a little more than usual but does get high, SWIM also reports that there is a little less of a rush.

    SWIM finds that waiting 3 or 4 hours after doing bup that using H does not get SWIM high but if the bup isn't fully taking care of withdrawals, SWIMs withdrawals will go away.
     
  12. jerbles

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    Re: Heroin after suboxone

    I'd assume that 3-4 hours should be good, as like mentioned above, the naloxone barely enters the body (if ingested right), and the bup shouldn't matter.
     
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    Re: Heroin after suboxone

    Swim has used heroine effectively only 8 hours after swim's last sub dose, which is generally only a 1/4 or 1/2 a sub.
     
  14. Wallet

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    How long till one can feel heroin after suboxone?

    If a person took some a couple pills of suboxone (about 16 mgs worth), how long would they have to wait until thye could shoot up heroin and actually feel it?
     
  15. dyingtomorrow

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    Re: How long till one can feel heroin after suboxone?

    SWIY could probably experience an "okay" sensation, nod, and positive general feeling after about 24-36 hours. To get a decent feeling rush, SWIY will probably have to wait until they start going into withdrawals.
     
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    Re: How long till one can feel heroin after suboxone?

    Swim read somewhere the half life of suboxone is around 24 hours. This means if 16 mgs were taken 8 mgs would be still in the system after 24 hours.

    If someone takes 16 mgs a day for a week it would take several days for it to be completely out of the system.

    In swims experience it took a couple days to get a good rush and nod, but he never used suboxone for more than a week at a time.
     
  18. adzket

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    Re: How long till one can feel heroin after suboxone?

    swim used to find that they could get a hit a little before or after 24 hrs depending on gear.
    but they would normally be noticing withdrawel before then any way at about 18 hrs how ever swim never took as much as they should of to cover there initial habbitt only enough to hold of withdrawel while waiting to score ect..
     
  19. bkinz

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    Re: Heroin after suboxone

    How bout this: Swim only gets subs every now and then during the times he can't cop. He's never taken more than half of an 8mg wafer in one day, and has never used it more than oneday in a row. Yesterday, swim took half of an 8mg sub at 1pm, it's now 11am. Do you think swim will feel a shot of one nifty (the normal amount swim does to feel pretty good)?
     
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    Re: Heroin after suboxone

    I would recommend that SWIY wait at minimum 24 hours after dosing the suboxone (thus making it 1 PM today). However, the Suboxone might still have some blocking effect due to the high affinity for the opiate receptors and the long half life. For best results, wait at least 36 hours after SWIY dosed the Suboxone to feel the full effect of the high.

    By the way, since this is an international forum, slang terms aren't recognized by all people on this forum. I am assuming one nifty is a slang term? Red Rock has never heard of this term before and doesn't know how much heroin this equates to.