First time?

Discussion in 'Research Chemicals' started by psyki, Jul 14, 2005.

  1. psyki

    psyki Gold Member

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    Hello-



    I have done his fair share of psychedelics and has played with 2-ct-7
    and 5-meo-DMT a few times. Now he has assembled a group of
    psychonauts who are interested in some more exotic RC's. What do
    you recommend for a newbie to the Research Chemical world?



    I think that 2C-E, 5-meo-DMT, and 4-HO-MIPT would be a good start,
    but what do you guys think? What would be a good starting dose
    for these chemicals, for people who are not strangers to
    psychedelics? SWIM's friends are all of sound mind and body.



    For the record I am NOT looking for sources.
     
  2. Sick Jack

    Sick Jack Newbie

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    Hi,

    If you're psychonauts are experienced with 2ct7 and 5-meo-dmt too, I'll guess that 2ce or 4-ho-mipt will not be a big surprise, even if each compound is completely different.

    Take care !
     
  3. Nagognog2

    Nagognog2 Iridium Member

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    The ones that you have listed are plenty powerful. 5-Meo-DMT being rather a practical joke however. 2-CE and Miprocin (4-OH-n,n-MiPT) are full-scale materials. Hide the car keys and enjoy the show. Magic Theatre - For Madmen Only.
     
  4. psyki

    psyki Gold Member

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    Thanks for the quick replies. I know DMT is kind of a parlor trick but still powerful and fun nonetheless.



    What do you think good starting doses would be for MiPT and 2C-E?
    Woudl you recommend DiPT over MiPT, or 2C-I over 2C-E? Keep in
    mind I amn't really looking for "fun" party drugs, but more a more
    introspective and cool learning experience. He wants to laugh and
    giggle but still "get shit done" if you know what he means.


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  5. Sick Jack

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    @nagognog2

    Do you think there are really some compounds that are fun, in opposite to others that are more "introspectiv" ?

    I think that it depends on what we will do while tripping and what are your expectations.
     
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    nanobrain Platinum Member

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    ^^um, i think nag said 5-MEO-DMT was a practical joke. take that with a big, ahem, grain of something.

    n,n-DMT is in no way a joke of any sort. ok, well, perhaps, but then a very grand one.

    sounds like your "psychonauts" need to do much more research - alot of ground has been covered in this forum, that should make things easier.
     
  7. psyki

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    I have been doing tons of research and came up with the list
    above. As you know there are widely varying accounts of
    positive/negative experiences with any Research Chemical and I have read through
    them on this forum extensively. I know I know USTFS but I was
    just looking for a little validation for his particular selection given
    the intent of his cadre.
     
  8. Nagognog2

    Nagognog2 Iridium Member

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    Did I infer that I find practical jokes to be of a negative value? No. I simply believe that 17 minutes on Mars is a hilarious venture. Such is the nature of, as my friends and I call it, MeowDammit. Something that lasts longer, say 2+ hours, we take as being a more serious substance. Maybe we're jaded from our years of abusing these horrible and nasty chemicals. Or we are trying to be!


    Have Fun! <grin>
     
  9. psyki

    psyki Gold Member

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    Hahaha that's a good way of describing it. It was 17 minutes of
    pure bliss for SWIM, a very "fun" chemical. He is definitely
    going to get some more of that.
     
  10. dmax

    dmax Iridium Member

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    Gah. Practical jokes are no fun when they last 8 hours. DMT
    and MAOIs (or, I guess, 5meo-dmt and MAOIs) are not the same thing as
    smokable forms. At any rate, if you guys are looking for a real
    mind bendy trip, the ones you suggested are reasonable. I would
    also say 2c-i, if it's a large group, and you don't want to all be
    squashed on the couch. It's more... upbeat? Whatever.
    Any of those might work. Or you could get some of the dreaded
    "LSD"...
     
  11. Ephemerides

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    2c-e > 2c-i. Both are very introspective chemicals, but there's
    something about 2c-e that gives SWIM a positive spin on his
    thoughts(usually). 2c-i seems more neutra.