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USA - First US cases of flesh eating drug Krokodil' reported in Arizona

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  1. Basoodler

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    [imgl=white]http://www.drugs-forum.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=35092&stc=1&d=1380163600[/imgl]
    The first cases of a terrifying new drug called 'Krokodil' that eats flesh from the inside out, is flammable and leaves addicts with reptilian-like skin have been reported this week in Arizona - and the state fears the beginning of an epidemic.

    Popular in Russia, Krokodil is homemade, is three-times cheaper than heroin and created by mixing codeine with gasoline or oil, filtering it and then injecting the rancid concoction into the users body.

    Banner's Poison Control Center most likely encountered the drug when two addicts arrived in emergency rooms with their flesh hanging off their body, exposing bone or with skin resembling that of a crocodile, hence its name.

    'We've had two cases this past week that have occurred in Arizona,' said Dr. Frank LoVecchio, the co-medical director at Banner's Poison Control Center to KPHO.Com.

    'As far as I know, these are the first cases in the United States that are reported. So we're extremely frightened,' he continued.

    Continual use of Krokodil causes blood vessels to burst, leaving skin green and scaly among addicts eventually causing gangrene and their flesh to begin to rot. Rabid use in Russia has caused up to 2.5 million people to register and seek treatment as addicts and the average life span for a user is only two to three years. 'When drug users do it repeatedly, the skin sloughs. It causes hardening of their skin. It will cause necrosis,' explained LoVecchio.

    LoVechhio says that the two cases he has encountered are most likely linked and he declined to comment on the appearance of the two users. 'Where there is smoke there is fire, and we're afraid there are going to be more and more cases,' said LoVechhio.

    In Russia, Krokodil usage is spreading like a virus among young people and according to a Time magazine investigation, even those who manage to quit their addiction come away disfigured for life.

    Some users in Russia develop brain damage and speech impediments in addition to the horrific scars. Krokodil, whose medical name is desomorphine, has the same mental effect as heroin but is produced with over-the-counter codeine and mixed with gasoline, paint thinner, hydrochloric acid and even the red phosphorous scraped from the tips of matches. Prevalent in Siberia and the Russian Far East, the explosion of users began in 2002, but over the past five years in Russia, usage has trebled.

    In 2011 alone, Russia's Federal Drug Control Service confiscated 65 million doses. The flesh rotting that is specific to Krokodil occurs directly at the injection site which could be anywhere from the feet to the forehead to the more traditional arms. According to Time magazine, 'Gangrene and amputations are a common result, while porous bone tissue, especially in the lower jaw, often starts to dissipate, eaten up by the drug's acidity.'

    9-25-13
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...bstitute-mixed-gasoline-reported-Arizona.html

     

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    2 cases of flesh-eating drug use in Arizona Posted:

    A warning from doctors. A street drug that can rot human flesh and literally make it fall off the bone is being used in Arizona.

    The drug is called krokodil. It's similar to heroin or morphine, and is made by mixing codeine with things like gasoline, paint thinner, oil or alcohol.

    That mixture is then injected into a vein.

    The drug first popped up in Russia but has spread to other countries in Europe and now the U.S.

    "This is really frightening. This is something we hoped would never make it to the U.S. because it's so detrimental to the people who use it," said Dr. Aaron Skolnik, toxicologist at Banner Health.

    "They cause damage to the blood vessels damage to the tissue and there are horrific pictures from Russia that show skin literally falling off the bone."

    Doctors say the life expectancy of a krokodil user is just 3 years.

    Posted: Sep 25, 2013 8:10 PM EDT Updated: Sep 25, 2013 8:13 PM EDT By FOX 10 News - Staff Report

    http://www.myfoxphoenix.com/story/23531822/2013/09/25/2-cases-of-flesh-eating-drug-use-in-arizona
     
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    First cases of flesh-eating drug reported in AZ By Greg Argos

    Banner's Poison Control Center says the two first cases of people using a drug that can rot flesh have been reported in Arizona.

    "We've had two cases this past week that have occurred in Arizona," said Dr. Frank LoVecchio,the co-medical director at Banner's Poison Control Center.

    "As far as I know,these are the first cases in the United States that are reported. So we're extremely frightened," he continued.

    The drug is known as Krokodil,and it's extremely popular in Russia. Users mix codeine with hydrocarbons,like gasoline,oil or alcohol. The mixture is then filtered and boiled before being injected into the vein. LoVecchio says users end up injecting fuel into their bodies.

    "They extract [the drug] and even though they believe that most of the oil and gasoline is gone,there is still remnants of it. You can imagine just injecting a little bit of it into your veins can cause a lot of damage," he said.

    In fact,what ends up happening is the flesh can rot from the inside out. Some users even develop sores that resemble alligator skin,hence the name of the drug.

    "When [drug users] do it repeatedly, the skin sloughs. It causes hardening of their skin. It will cause necrosis," explained LoVecchio.

    LoVecchio believes the two cases reported in Arizona are linked,but he couldn't elaborate on the patients' conditions. He says he hopes the trend does not continue to spread.

    "Where there is smoke there is fire, and we're afraid there are going to be more and more cases," he said.

    http://m.kltv.com/autojuice?targetU...rst-cases-of-flesh-eating-drug-reported-in-az
     
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    PHOENIX - It’s a deadly drug out of Russia that’s now hit the Valley.

    "In the 12 years that I've been doing substance abuse and prevention education, it's probably the most destructive drug I've ever seen,” said Shelly Mowrey, a substance abuse and prevention expert in the Valley.”
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    They call the flesh-eating drug “Krokodil.” Mowrey says it started in Siberia in 2002 and quickly spread across Russia’s transient and prostitute populations.

    What they started noticing was all these horrendous, flesh-eating types of wounds on people,” said Mowrey.

    It’s a deadly mixture of codeine, red phosphorous, iodine, and paint thinner. Users of the drug see their skin turn green, bumpy, and scaly.

    Cooking the drug isn’t hard at all.

    "It's similar to the methamphetamine,” Mowrey said. “Cook with a hot pan, chemicals, and it only takes 30 minutes to cook.”

    And with reports of Krokodil usage in the Valley, Mowrey says it’s something we shouldn’t take lightly. The lifespan of a user is relatively short, anywhere from one to two years.

    "What I see are not the flesh-eating wounds, but the dreams and the lives that are destroyed because of drug use,” Mowrey said.

    http://www.abc15.com/dpp/news/regio...ly-flesh-eating-Krokodil-drug-hits-the-Valley 9-25-13
     

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    Talk about a slippery slope. Its 2 people

    could it be Necrotizing Fasciitis from bad black tar

    , or a flesh eating bacteria in the dope they used?

    Like this case in 1996
    ...just sayin'
     
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    Codeine isn't very prevalent where I'm from. Codeine can be bought over the counter in places where krokodil is popular, no? I don't think it will here become the problem it seems to be in Russia. Codeine is only available through prescription in the US and it seems docs here prescribe a hell of a lot more tramadol and hydrocodone than codeine for the kind of pain codeine would be prescribed for.

    The bald guy in that pic isn't a krokodil user by the way, he was a stabbing victim. I was looking up krokodil stuff on youtube a while back and the video was in Russian and it claimed he was a user on there too but some English speaking Russians said no he was stabbed. Krokodil user pics can be a hell of a lot more graphic than that.
     
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    Lol the first article uses that picture as an example...the press are shameless
     
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    Don't want to sound like a twat but if people inject that shit they deserve what they get, I can't get my head round it, makes your flesh rot and you will prob be dead in 3 years? WTF, I thought crack was bad but this takes the piss.
    It's sad how desperate people can get and how little they value there life and health.
    I'm asuming they're doing this because they can't get proper opiates where they are from, I can't see people in the us or uk doing it because H is just a phone call away.
     
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    Heroin he abundant in the us too. Its getting to be As common as weed.really

    What gets me is the poison control place made a snap judgment call and associated it to krokodil with no supporting inforrmation.. It would probably cost more to make this shit than buying H.


    its not unheard of for IV users to pick up a necrosis .. Hell there are brain eating ameoba in the news..
     
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    Russia is one of the closest heroin markets to the Golden Crescent. Heroin is a true epidemic is some parts of Russia, especially the areas that border Kazakhstan. I know a guy that knows a guy from Russia and it's not hard to get it in Moscow either apparently.
     
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    No, it's been prescription-only here for a couple of years already.
     
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    If they can get H so easily I can't understand why they would knowingly use this shit, just because Russia is a main route for heroin to enter the west doesn't mean it's cheap all over Russia, the way I see it is tonnes of H comes into the uk via airports every year but you go and try to score at an airport, it just passes through.
    Even if there is a lot of H in Russia and to us it is cheap to them it is still too expensive, the poor there are really poor and it's a big percentage of the population.
    It must be cheaper for these krokidil adicts to go by the codeine and cook it up into desomorphine.
    They still must be fuckin mental, seen some of the pics with people's entire bone visible in there arm or leg, one geezer got no flesh from the knee down at all with his foot in a bucket because its oozing so much shit. I regret my drug use but fuck man I don't feel so bad after seein that shit.
     
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    I've seen some junkie in Tel aviv that had the same symptoms, but I didn't just jump to the conclusion that it's krokodil... I hardly think it will become an epidemic in the west, people aren't as hardcore as in Russia. Really the only use for this drug is for those who want to commit painful suicide and also get high on the way. And even for that there are better drugs.
     
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    Soso people can't just go get codiene in the USA.. UNLESS they lived near mexico. even then, the border towns in mexico offer a wide vaiety of drugs.. I've seen drug dealers on the streets intermixed with kids selling chickle (mexican gum).. And taxi drivers asked premtively what sorts of drugs you were looking for..or prostitutes

    I think even canada puts it behind the counter now

    I don't even see an american drug dealer bothering with selling it.. or a mexican drug dealer..unless its in some syrup for drank ;)
     
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    The only codeine available OTC in America is codeine syrup with at least one more active ingredient, usually guaifenesin. I have no idea how to extract the codeine from the syrup.

    I do not believe people are taking Tylenol 3s and extracting the codeine and making "krokodil".

    Heroin is pretty easy to get and if you can't score in your area, you'd just end up eating a ton of the T3s and get a buzz.

    I think it's an infection from bad heroin.

    Please read this post from &rew, a Russian heroin users who knows a lot about chemistry and knows how the krokodil is made http://www.drugs-forum.com/forum/showpost.php?p=1023638&postcount=29
     
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    If you watch the VICE documentary on it, it does point out that krokodil is a last resort, users apparently never start with it. It's only when they don't have enough money to buy H that users turn to krokodil, because getting the materials for it is cheap, fast, and you can make lot of it...or at least that's the impression I got, correct me if I'm wrong.
    Nasty drug, I can't imagine the pain it gives to the user; both mental and physical.
     
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    wasn't on about the USA, I was on about places where krokidil is more common like Russia and east Europe. Im not convinced anyone in the US has used it long enough to suffer the flesh eating side of the drug, and if they have its probably an isolated incident. 2 cases "reported" in the same week seems a bit of a coincidence and the media has a way of sensationalising drug stories. Even if the 2 people had used krokidil to say it could be the start of an epidemic is a joke.
     
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    Just a correction, codeine is not available OTC in any form in the country. As someone has already said in Russia and other European (and possibly elsewhere) countries Codeine is available without a prescription making it much more economical. Of course the writers will never mention this and are just trying to nab readers with the outrageous claim of this possibly being the beginning of an epidemic.

    News anchors and journalists really piss me off sometimes with the stupid shit they say just to grab attention. It doesnt take a rocket scientist to realize an epidemic would never take place in a country where codeine is scheduled. No addict is going to pay to see a doctor and then pay for the prescription time and time again
     
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    Mp,

    When he says m-cholinotic does that refer to something like dph or atropine?

    I found this a long time ago and it seems to shed some light on things.

    Edit: removed techical stuff to prevent stupidity

    This is now all over the mainsteam media.. and on those cable news tickers I'm sure

    Too bad they are not mentioning that there may be some bad black tar in arizona.. that may save a life or limb.. which is a lot more than this hysteria will do
     
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    I watched the VICE video on this, scary as hell... Why would someone inject something they know will 100% leave them with ONE CAREER PATH: Zombie acting, if they are lucky to live more than a few months... people pushing this deadly poison should be locked up forever or beat to death in the streets. If you knowningly sell a product that will without an absolute doubt cause such immediate harm for a living a thief is a better person than you, fuck this makes heroin dealers look like not so bad people and thats scary in and of itself...