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Effects - Flaked opium question?

Discussion in 'Opium & Poppy' started by Herbal Healer 019, Mar 24, 2009.

  1. Herbal Healer 019

    Herbal Healer 019 Silver Member

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    A friend Some1 who aint me (SWAM) recently had some poppy tea he had brewed up 8grams potent pods used, but SWAM was already on oxy & hydrocodone, as well as 10gs kratom so SWAM decided to allow it to evap into flaked opium rather than potentially overdose from too many opiates. It worked well & swim was able to scrape the evapped tea into little crystals (very dry, fine, & dirt colored brown but with hints of amber).

    SWAM vaped some in a lightbulb & on its own it doesnt produce hardly any analgesia & is more simular to a low dose of marijuana with maybe a little opiate feeling to it. Is this what the experience/high is supposed to be like? or was 8 grams not enough to produce potent enough flaked opium?

    SWAM vaped some mixed with marijuana during the come down of another oxycodone, hydrocodone, kratom experience & it seemed to bring back the analgesia or intensify the analgesia & euphoria from the origional opiate cocktail.

    SWAM is unsure if the effect is placebo or actually what the opium high is supposed to be like, because doing it alone without any other drugs in the mix SWAM's eyes barely constricted at all & only became glossy which is not very indicitive of opiate intoxication.

    Any input would be appreciated here...
     
  2. bcubed

    bcubed Gold Member

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    Lizard would consider 8 grams pods to be, likely, an inadequate dose for somone with prior opiate experience.

    Lizard would think 8gr would be (around) what he'd recommend to a new user of opiates. Such a dose probably would not have done much of anything for Lizard, even when opiate-naiive, but he always had an oddly high tolearnce right off the bat.

    I hate to make even tentative dosing recommendations--considering the consequences of overdose here--but if SWIY was unsatisfied with the opium experience, perhaps a bigger dose is in order next time.
     
  3. Phentasies

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    The problem is SWIY smoked the shit.

    Opium smoking BLOWS massive chunks UNLESS you have the live pods and LANCE them then smoke that. Trying to smoke pod-boil-outs doesnt work well in SWIMs experience, too much latex, have to smoke WAAAAAY to much which takes HOURS to do to buildup a hardly-worthwhile buzz. Gotta love the SWEET SUGARY smell of burning opium though.

    Did you bubble-bag the tea? You almost certainly need at least 73micron filtration of the tea to get a decent reduction in latex. If you did a boil-out and didint even filter it then your dealing with alot of latex and minimal alkaloid concentrations.

    Your best to eat the flaked opium by re-dissolving into water (it should now have minimal taste, much less than direct pod tea). SWIM would do boil outs, filter through bubble-bag, evap, scrape, then redissolve into water just to get rid of the foul taste of pod-tea.


    In SWIMs opinion its a complete waste of opium to smoke it if you did a boil-out. Only lancing will produce a worthwhile smokeable opium, but even that should still be cooked to undergo filtration before smoking.

    But then, in SWIMs opinion its a complete waste to smoke opium, PERIOD. SWIM would have to smoke 3-4 times as much physical volume of opium just to get as buzzed as SWIM would get from taking 1/3-1/4 as much orally. SWIM could only ascertain a fair-buzz from smoking, but orally SWIM could nod.


    And by flaked opium SWIM assumes you are reffering to this;
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    The above is 73 micron bubble-bag filtered poppy pod boil-out opium flakes.
     
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  4. Herbal Healer 019

    Herbal Healer 019 Silver Member

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    The flaked opium in the above picture is exactly what Some1 Who Aint Me's flaked looks like. He didn't use a bubble bag nor did he boil it out.

    SWAM brewed the tea up like he normally would (straining the particulate pod matter) & placed the tea into a shallow glass baking dish allowing it to evaporate & was left with what SWIY's flaked opium looks like.

    The buzz is less than satisfactory using 8 grams of tea material to say the least...very much like a low dose of marijuana with a slight feeling of being under the influence of minute amounts of opiate/opioid compounds.

    Overall the experiment was a complete waste of time, but when smoked during a opiate/opioid experience it does increase the euphoria quite substantially leading SWAM to beleive that opiate alkaloids are present but in small/minute quantities... peace
     
  5. Phentasies

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    Bud thats a boil out and filtration (albeit not sure what degree of filtration, coffee filter?). SWIMs assuming SWIY used dried store bought poppy pods, put them into HOT water to make tea (boiling the content out), filtered that content (SWIY says "straining" - AKA filtering), evaporated it, and scraped it. Making tea is just a small-scale boil-out of anything!

    A bubble bag is just a much better filtration system and works ESPECIALLY well for large scale poppy pod boil-outs (i.e. using an enormous almost cauldron of a pot to boil out 100+ pods/leaves/stalks/roots of hacked plants). But works great for any small scale too!

    The flaked O in the above photo is from a very large boil-out of several hundred pods, in SWIMs experience color is not much of an indicator of alkaloid content. Some think the darker opium is the better, but all opium is black when theres enough of it to be dense enough material (i.e. a ball of opium or a very thick laid sheet of putty). The same opium that is black in a ball can be stretched like a piece of gum and suddenly its brown, and the thinner its stretched the lighter it gets. So all flaked opium (very thin opium) appears lightish brown regardless of how many or few pods were used to brew it.


    Did SWIY ever notice their flaked opium revert back into putty? Or did SWIY not have their flaked O sitting around long enough?

    In the above photo the opium flakes in the foreground have picked up enough humidity from the air to begin the process of melting back into putty, whereas the lightest brown stuff is still in flake/crystal-form. This re-puttifying starts to happen 24-48 hours of being exposed to open air in a region with moderate to high humidity.

    Its physical properties remind SWIM of the funky gunk you get when you mix cornstarch with water and squeeze it dry and watch it melt back to a liquid in the palm of your hand.



    SWIY can also SNORT opium without precipitating any alkaloid salt just by starching the putty with inositol powder and laying it in a dish to evaporate then scraping and grinding to a super-soft and fluffy opium-alkaloid powder.
     
  6. Herbal Healer 019

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    SWIY did not at any time BOIL the tea he allowed it to sit & be stirred in warm water for about an hour then strained the particulate using a wet t-shirt.

    His crystalline "flaked-opium" looks exactly the same as what SWIY has & is now sitting in the keif collector of his grinder...Maybe he should expose it to open air?
     
  7. dankushking420

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    Is there a way to extract the opiates with chemicals/filtration?
     
  8. Potter

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    Faerie wishes?

    You do understand, that by definition, "extracting" either requires chemicals or filters?

    You need tools to separate things. You can't do it by sheer force of will. Those tools are chemicals and filters.