Combinations - freebase meth/mdma?

Discussion in 'Ecstasy & MDMA' started by Sasha Gulag, Jan 26, 2005.

  1. Sasha Gulag

    Sasha Gulag Newbie

    Reputation Points:
    30
    Messages:
    238
    Joined:
    Dec 28, 2004
    36 y/o
    i know freebase meth is an oil, can it be smoked. i can imagine putting some in an eyedropper and administering it into the pipe. is it better than smoking crystal?? can it be solidified if the ph is increased??


    free base mdma is anotehr thing ive been thinking about. some people say its a waste of good xtc but has anyone actually smoked the stuff?what about other freebase amphetamines TMA, MMDA etc..


    im just curious really.
     
  2. moeBius

    moeBius Gold Member

    Reputation Points:
    30
    Messages:
    174
    Joined:
    Jan 13, 2005
    36 y/o from U.K.
    i dont think that a substabce in its freebase-form is automatically smokeable. mdma cannot be smoked iirc.

    apart from that smoking is not really a good way of consuming, especially when it comes to doses >50mg.
     
  3. ChemicallyBound

    ChemicallyBound Gold Member

    Reputation Points:
    15
    Messages:
    259
    Joined:
    Jan 18, 2005
    you can freebase meth"crank" , oil is just the liquid form of the solid crystal. you can basify to freebase , you can solidify by lowering the temperature or extracting correctly


    you can do the same to mdma, the poor little methylene bridge is going to be more suseptible to heat degradation
     
  4. Eirias

    Eirias Gold Member

    Reputation Points:
    183
    Messages:
    472
    Joined:
    Jan 21, 2005
    I have tried smoking freebase MDA (as well as MD(M)A HCl),
    with predictable, active, yet overall unimpressive effects. IMO
    it's a waste-- if you need a shorter, quicker roll then try
    insufflation (snorting). Once when I had trouble xtallizing
    his MDA, he just put some freebase oil in a vial and would take a few
    drops as needed. Rapid onset, neat licorice taste, and a bit of
    local anaesthesia on the tongue-- but of course it's no good for
    encapsulating or putting into tablets. Also, it seemed to
    "degrade" after a few weeks when not kept airtight and super cold in
    freezer, don;t know why but it the MDA oil markedly lost it's potency
    after some time.

    I have no experience with meth oil, so asessments cannot be made.
     
    Last edited by a moderator: Sep 9, 2017
  5. just12b4gotn

    just12b4gotn Gold Member Donating Member

    Reputation Points:
    0
    Messages:
    360
    Joined:
    Jan 1, 2005
    52 y/o from Dallas, TX, USA
    You may also want to consider that since some people have a body chemistry that is hypersensitive to certain things, that the rapid delivery by smoking MDMA could have grave consequences.


    Smoking any crystalline substance such as meth has a profoundly negative impact on the lungs, and the high is of a much shorter duration. In addition, it will require increased dosages for the desired effects, so that one could say that you were wasting it.


    The "if some is good more is better" approach will end up costing you.
     
  6. BX EMPEROR

    BX EMPEROR Silver Member

    Reputation Points:
    0
    Messages:
    42
    Joined:
    Dec 11, 2004
    if u want to smoke meth just get methamphetamine hcl crystals, not freebase.... although i assume it is possible why would u go through all the trouble if u can just smoke the hcl xtals?
     
  7. Sasha Gulag

    Sasha Gulag Newbie

    Reputation Points:
    30
    Messages:
    238
    Joined:
    Dec 28, 2004
    36 y/o
    whoah, just curious. i used to like smoking coke a lot but that was a few years a go. the thing w/ I am he discoverd the needle a few years back and since then nothing has the same kick. SWIM opened 75mg dex capsule slammed more than half with 2 dimes of H, besides coke thats the only non-oral stimulant use I have ever known. where I live (big noreastern city in US)meth is like finding diamonds on thesidewalk. everyone prefers coke, i guess. the only people really into meth up here are gay guys. its big in the clubs, supposedly.
     
  8. Eirias

    Eirias Gold Member

    Reputation Points:
    183
    Messages:
    472
    Joined:
    Jan 21, 2005
    Funny-- in the western US, meth is by FAR the largest/most
    available drug, perhaps after cannabis. It is everywhere.

    I have tried speedballs (H + coke) several times, and meth + H
    once or twice. Speedballs scared the shit out of swim the 1st few
    times, but after awhile swim enjoyed and even longed for the rush.

    A friend from New Jersey once met up with swim at Burning Man
    and proudly pulled out his "speed". It was ridiculously cut, and
    when vaporization was attempted it turned black and crispy. The
    friend had never seen the large, glass-like shards of meth that are
    common in the West, and he was impressed and amazed when some was
    smoked and the crystals liqufied into a clear puddle and then
    rextalized upon cooling.

    BTW Sasha Gulag, what the hell form of dexedrine is in fucking
    75mg. capsules?!? I have seen dexedrine tablets (orange trangles
    with SKG on them) and dexedrine spansules (sustained release capsule
    form) in I believe up to 20mg., and Adderall in up to 30mg.
    tablets. I can't recall how high the potency of the
    sustained-release Adderall goes (30mg. I believe), but it's definitely
    not 75mg. and the little coated balls inside the Adderall capsules
    aren't good for anything really besides swallowing. It's not that
    I don't believe you, I'm just curious-- that's a really large amount of
    dex for a single pill!! Perhaps it's a new formulation or from a
    foreign pharmacy?
     
    Last edited by a moderator: Sep 9, 2017
  9. Eirias

    Eirias Gold Member

    Reputation Points:
    183
    Messages:
    472
    Joined:
    Jan 21, 2005
    Oh yeah, swim also vaporized 5-MeO-DIPT a few times-- active, somewhat
    more "body" oriented and less psychedelic than oral consumption--
    definitely a novelty, but not much more than that. Using 15mg. of
    a rare and wonderful compound such as this for a few hits of novelty
    rush is IMO a waste, as it would be much more preferable swallowed,
    producing a mild to moderate classic 'foxy' experience.

    I'm sure that a variety of tryptamines and phenethylamines are
    somewhat active when smoked, but the larger the molecule the less
    potential for activity and the greater potential for degradation upon
    heat application. Where it gets interesting is when a substance
    has a potent and/or unique effect when vaporized that is significantly
    different from when it is eaten. If the example of n,n-DMT is
    used, compare and contrast the qualities of a smoked 15min. DMT lauch
    to that of ayhuasca. Oral 5-MeO-DMT vs. smoked 5-MeO is markedly
    different as well.

    There was once a claim that DIPT (n,n-diisopropyltryptamine),
    which has relatively mild and rather unprofound, non-psychedelic
    effects when eaten, was intensely psychedelic and produced a trip that
    was "DMT-like" when smoked. It has yet to be verified, and I
    think some psychonauts tried to imitate the experiment with no profound
    results, but the point is that it illustrates the possibility that
    there could be a whole new avenue of experience locked away inside some
    entheogen.

    The danger lies in proceeding with caution, and hopefully
    preventing someone from recklessly mimicking an experiment, presuming
    to induce identical effects but resulting in negative consequences (the
    snorting of 2C-T-7 sticks out as a particularly unfortunate example of
    what I'm talking about).
     
    Last edited by a moderator: Sep 9, 2017
  10. enquirewithin

    enquirewithin Gold Member

    Reputation Points:
    3,605
    Messages:
    5,754
    Joined:
    Dec 11, 2004
    from bermuda
    There are many accounts of DIPT being relatively inactive taken orally
    (as in Pinchbeck's "Breaking Open the Head"), but being very intense
    insufflated. Smoking reportedly gives a slightly shorter more intense
    experience.



    Some people say that short-acting tryptamines, like DET, DMT and DIPT all give access to a special space.
     
  11. tweakerfrommars

    tweakerfrommars Newbie

    Reputation Points:
    10
    Messages:
    99
    Joined:
    Jan 30, 2005
    Ahh, Houston was great. Meth everywhere (my former drug of choice :) and also coke whenever you needed it, being near the Gulf. Nothing was scarce. Good coke was hard to get...on the other hand, good meth wasn't.


    I live in Arkansas now, and apparently I'm walking around on top of some huge-ass hidden meth mine, because it's supposed to be here and I haven't seen any.