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Freebase Ritalin Crystals?

Discussion in 'Concerta & Ritalin' started by olddirtycr, Feb 29, 2008.

  1. olddirtycr

    olddirtycr Newbie

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    Please excuse SWIM's lack of knowledge and "newbie" like question.

    I have tried a few days ago mixing 1 part 10mg ritalin with 1 part baking soda, putting it on a tinfoil sheet, adding water and mixing it around in a circle. Then I would let it dry, and smoke it. This caused SWIM to feel a very intense Ritalin High like speed with less Ritalin needed. It was very nice. Not even close to the feeling of crack but still very nice.

    SWIM's quesiton is can you make Ritalin/Baking Soda crystals like you can with Crack? (The spoon method?). Does the chemical reaction work the same and then SIWM would be able to scoop out the crystals and smoke from a pipe (instead of a tin foil sheet), or would this not work.

    Please no comments on health concerns, how stupid it is to smoke ritalin, etc.
     
  2. lexifer

    lexifer Newbie

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    well I would have to say it works, but thats just based on You saying he tried it and got effects from it. if You meant can you form actual crystals, I am unsure.
     
  3. olddirtycr

    olddirtycr Newbie

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    I didn't mean crystals necassarilly, just like chunks of it, but from the sounds of it it works, thank you
     
  4. highganja99

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    Melting Point Of MPH (Ritalin) Anyone?

    SWIM Believes this is a possibility, he himself tried something similar once, intense high, bloodshot eyes, very short lived.

    Whether or not it is possible to freebase MPH is a paramount question here.

    It may be the case that the HCl is more efficient than the freebase for smoking.

    Fillers pose an obstacle that needs more attention to get the full picture.

    Overall You is probably receiving some amount of MPH to get the effects mentioned

    It would seem that nobody has posted much about Freebase MPH which shall be from here fourth dubbed "Kiddie Crack".

    This would suggest it may have been tried and failed in the past therefore not worth posting.

    decomposition of MPH under heat could be a likely suspect for abandoning this route of admin, that's why freebasing would be the next logical step.

    but even then the melting point may be to low to be efficient.

    I feel the jury is still out on this until more information is gathered.
     
  5. warandhate

    warandhate Newbie

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    vantranist Silver Member

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    Who says ritalin needs to be in freebase form in order to smoke it?

    (Meth)amphetamine is very smokable in its HCl form, and is rarely found in freebase on the streets.

    I know ritalin is very different from meth but You could be wasting time trying to convert it.
     
  7. radiometer

    radiometer bananadine addict Platinum Member & Advisor

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    ^ This is the relevant question here, which has not yet been answered:

    ...as well as the boiling point. Both for the HCl salt and the freebase.
     
  8. kairo

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    working on this one myself as well. This is what I found on the Melting Point:
    Boiling Point: 135-137° C Melting Point of Ritalin HCl crystals: 224-226° C
    Reference: just google it
     
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    So You could disolve the Ritalin HCl in water. Filter it, and allot of the fillers will stay in the filter. And then boil the water so you only have HCl crystals left?

    Altough there will still be allot of other ingredients in the pills that would also dissolve in water.

    So You could try an everclear extraction? The HCl will dissolve in the everclear (ethyl alcohol) but allot of the other ingridients wont. Then leave it to dry.



    So:
    1) Dissolve some pills in everclear.
    2) Filter
    3) Let the everclear (ethyl alcohol) evaporate
    4) Dissolve the pretty clean HCl in water
    5) Filter
    6) Let the water evaporate (maybe You could boil it)

    I would not do step 6, he would just put the filtered HCl-Water solution in a nasal container.

    killerfromsky added 17 Minutes and 53 Seconds later...

    I found this:
    Ritalin contains the following inactive ingredients: Hydroxypropyl Methylcellulose 2208 USP, Magnesium Stearate NF, Microcrystalline Cellulose NF, and Talc USP.

    Information:

    Hydroxypropyl Methylcellulose –
    • slightly soluble in coldwater
    • Insoluble in ethanol
    • Insoluble in warm water

    Talc USP
    • Insoluble in water
    • Insoluble in ethanol

    Magnesium Stearate
    • Insoluble in water

    Microcrystalline Cellulose NF
    • Insoluble in water



    So You should do this:

    1) Crush up the tablets
    2) Mix them into a small amount of warm distilled H20
    3) Filter
    4) Evaporate the water

    Next are optional:
    5) Dissolve in ethanol (also called ethyl alcohol, pure alcohol)
    6) Filter
    7) Evaporate the ethanol

    I think the last steps are optionol because there would only be a small amount of Hydroxypropyl Methylcellulose left with the MethylphenidateHCl.
     
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  10. doggy_hat

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    So if the boiling point is 35C higher than water, then boiling a solution containing MPH wouldn't damage it, correct?

    Also, what are the solubilities of MPH in water at 100C, and say about 10C? If there was enough difference, You could dissolve as much MPH in boiling water as possible, then stick the water in the freezer and the MPH would form crystals as the temperature drops, as the water would no longer be able to hold all of the MPH. After harvesting the crystals You could then evaporate the rest of the water to recover the MPH still in the water, in a non crystalline form.
     
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    Methyphenidate IS PRACTICALLY INSOLUBLE IN WATER!!!
     
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    Methylphenidat-Hydrochloride is perfectly soluble in water because of the HCL
     
  13. tmpinsanity

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    It can be cooked,spoon or microwave, Just like coke, grab the goo and let it dry. crackles when heated just like crack,high is similar but not as intense,
    without the jones.
     
  14. poptart

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    Has swim actually tried this? Or is swim just throwing this out there? Swim's are just taking methods from other extractions and bringing it to this one. Symm has been reading all these methods but they just sound like tests. Separating some of the fillers is the way to go but it doesn't sound like swim's are accomplishing that here.

    Has there been any updates on a better method... one tried and true?
     
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    Lurker chiming in here because I have first hand experience with some of this.

    SWIM crushes the rit tabs as fine as possible, mixes them into Everclear (as suggested above), stirs constantly for a few mins, then filters the mix through cloth or a coffee filter into a flat glass container. SWIM then rinses the remaining sediment with more Everclear in effort to maximize. SWIM leaves it overnight to dry and scrapes up whats left the next day.

    I havent tried to cook it/freebase it, but can tell you with all certainty this method removes the vast majority of the fillers. This makes it much easier (and far more pleasant) to nose or vein.

    SWIM disagrees with previous posts, I feel a jones and crashes, tho it is surely not as severe as coke or crack. SWIM suggests popping a xanax an hour or so into use to minimize pain on the way down.
     
  16. ReaperCOBHC

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    My leopard tried to make Ritalin crack crystals using the spoon method. All that happened is that the baking soda and Ritalin bubbled and turned yellowish brown. My leopard tried to smoke it in a metal pipe with no such luck. Don't waste your time and pills. You will get no high from it. My leopard thinks the best way to smoke Ritalin is to freebase it with baking soda and vaporize it on tin foil. Take a look at this thread on how to do it: https://drugs-forum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=52232 Hope this helps.
     
  17. profesor

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    Since this thread was resurrected, I thought I'd add my wisdom from research, with Ethylphenidate- Ritalin is Methylphenidate and they are really quite alike in effects, etc. etc. The main difference being Ethylphenidate comes in pure powder form and does not need to be filtered and purified like Ritalin pills(or Focalin or whatever). You can make ethylphenidate or methylphenidate freebase, it will work fine, but there's no advantage or difference in high from smoking plain Elhyphenidate HCL or purified Ritalin on foil. It's possible to do, but pointless. Cocaine has special chemical properties that make the freebase form/crack different in strength and intensity from Cocaine HCL, and which also make regular cocaine HCL unsmokeable. Most drugs don't have these characteristics. Often the HCL form can be vaporized more easily than coke. I hope this is clear for future reference.
     
  18. Szandbwoy

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    Interesting form of experimentation, nice to hear you actually got some results. Amphetamines aren't really my area at the moment but I found your post interesting nonetheless. The answers from the forum users above can give you much more information than I could on this subject, so I won't even try to give any knowledgeable input!
     
  19. Sniper4dayz

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    I have also tried smoking crushed Ritalin off tin foil with baking soda and water added but hasn't felt anything, waste of pills. Swim used to be an avid Percocet smoker using tin foil a lot. Swim says the whole Ritalin pill smokes and slides very well on tin foil, much like a Percocet if not, better, but taste really harsh on inhalation and still never got him high. After a few more smoke sessions with the Ritalin swim gave up, it didn't do anything to him.
     
  20. Mushroom Murph

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    I should get some isopropyl alcohol,91-99%, then I should take the 36mg concertas he has and make a fine powder.
    I should then place the powder in a glass and add ISo and stir(the amount of alcohol depends on the amount of powder,approx 50~75mls per 2 tabs) for a minute or two.
    Swim then needs a coffee filter and place over a cup or glass. Add the IS0/powder to the filter.
    Pure Methylphenidate dissolves in 91-99% iOS
    Once it has passed through filter,Swim,places the mash in the filter aside for a second extraction,a weaker one.

    The liquid is placed in a cup n in the microwave to evaporate the ISo. Approx 2-4mins depending on the amount of liquid that needs to evaporate. Keep a close eye as not to burn the residue remaining in the cup.
    Swin then let's cool,and with a spoon or knife scratch at the bottom of the cup which is now pure Methylphenidate.
    It's ok to overheat a little,it leaves it as a brownish tint,otherwise it'll be white.it will be a powder,a few pebbles,and when done perfectly it has shiny shards.

    Hope this helps Swim.