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TEK - Freebasing coke with sodium carbonate instead of s. bicarbonate (baking soda)

Discussion in 'Cocaine & Crack' started by darkbreed, Dec 3, 2008.

  1. darkbreed

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    I am curious on how that would work out? Using sodium carbonate instead of bicarbonate. He has heard the best is using ammonia and it has higher PH, if I am not completly off track sodium carbonate has somewhat higher PH too closer to ammonia?

    He did a very small test earlier which seemed to be successful, using about 4 part coke and 1 part sodium carbonate.

    But to properly determine it he is currently doing the same with a larger dose to compare to what is obtained through the sodium bicarbonate way.

    Any comments?
     
  2. piuiher

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    You can disslve coke in water and add a sodium carbonate solution to the coke solution until ph=10...this will make all base precipitate (it usually takes 15-30 mins) and then You can filter it.
     
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    I say thanks for the tip!

    darkbreed added 2 Minutes and 9 Seconds later...

    Btw approximately what would be the ratio between coke, water & sodium carbonate to get around ph 10? SWIM do not have any way to measure it... :S

    Can he just add sodium carbonate slowly until he see it start precipitate and stop there assuming it has reached the right level by then?
     
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  4. piuiher

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    add sodium carbonate solution. Ideal is 10% solution (10g dissolved in water to make total volume 100ml). Add this until all material is precipitated. After full precipitation You can check again by adding a little more solution.
     
  5. darkbreed

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    Hm 10g sodium carbonate in 100ml water, would that not be almost 100%? I am a little blasted in his hat for calculations at the moment though, but 10g is 10 000mg right and 100ml water, that would be 1g / 1000mg per 10ml water`. Which would be 100mg per 1ml water? or maybe 1ml is around 1g of water? Sorry that I am somewhat buggered here heh.

    Well I will try with a small batch and see what happens, he suppose he can use 1g sodium carbonate with 10ml water then ey? Would that be enough for converting half a gram to a gram of coke this way?

    And how would the procedure be done theoretically, just slowly dripping in the sodiucm carbonate water solution for 15-30 min, or all at once and then wait those 15-30 min for it to precipiate?

    Chheers
     
  6. piuiher

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    it should be dripped until util precipiate forms. Not altogether, bnut not drop by drop. Just puot it in until precipitaion occurs. The wait. Try adding more..see if more precipitates. If You has some way of measuring ph ...like strips..he should aim for ph 10.
     
  7. Buff Law

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    Sodium Carbonate Method.

    Ok, SWIM hears of this sodium carbonate method a few times. Now, where can this s.c. be obtained and what is the ratio used to make rock?
    SWIM also hears that no heating is involved in this new method. So...

    1.Where to find sodium carbonate
    2.What ratio to use with coke
    3.Is there no cooking involved
    I find this very interesting.:)
     
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    Benga Platinum Member & Advisor

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    Re: Sodium Carbonate Method.

    over here sodium carbonate is sold in crystal form for washing purposes, and found in hardware stores or supermarkets.
     
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    Re: Sodium Carbonate Method.

    Those I Know have not heard of this method (TIK have heard of using sodium BIcarbonate, ie., baking soda), but sodium carbonate is also known as 'washing soda' or 'soda ash'.

    It can be found in supermarkets & hardware stores as washing soda, and (presumably more costly) as soda ash in craft supply stores (as a mordant for dying fabric & is also used for glass blowing, iirc).

    Also, according to this post ( https://drugs-forum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=101026&highlight=sodium+carbonate ), it can also be found in pool & spa supply stores.

    Will have to look into this - sounds interesting.

    ~Kailey
     
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    Re: Sodium Carbonate Method.

    have heard that it's used in the jungle during the initial work-up of the product.

    prolly no reason it couldn't be used "a la crack".

    SWIM sez some folks put a pinch in their meth pipe to generate a little meth base
    in situ.
    but vaping meth is rather unhealthy/ unnecessary IMO.
     
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    I can't tell whether this thread is talking about creating clean freebase, or quick 'n' dirty crack.

    Can anyone whose pet llama has done this comment on what advantages sodium carbonate has, if any, if it is used to replace bicarb in crack TEK, or ammonia in freebase TEK?
     
  13. bls1987

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    Sodium Carbonate is made by heating Sodium Bicarbonate (baking soda used in cooking) in the oven for an hour at least
    Dont know exactly for how long but that's basically the recipe
    And I know you end up with less Sodium, but ph of carbonate is like 10 and bicarbonate is like 8 so always use strong bases
    But not AMMONIA.. LYE....to something Im gonna sniff up my nose? nahhh Im not as good as Walt is making meth in Breaking Bad.......yet

    Ah Id love to have my own lab...
     
  14. Psilocybo

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    AFOAF has not tried using sodium carbonate crystals to make his crack but would just like to point out that it will work because when bicarbonate of soda is heated(part of the process in making crack) it actually coverts bicarbonate of soda into sodium carbonate therefore freebasing the cocaine.

    Hope this helps!

    Psilocybo

    Psilocybo added 2 Minutes and 22 Seconds later...

    Sorry for double post, but just realised I pointed out the same info as poster above. Whoops!:applause:
     
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  15. piurano

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    why wouldnt this person just buy ammonia?
     
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    Could be for a number of reasons to be fair, you can reach the same PH level using sodium carbonate as you can with ammonia, so if you know what your doing it should come out just as good as the ammonia method. Also could just be that fact it so easy to make sodium carbonate from bicarbonate of soda that it works out cheaper than buying ammonia, and I'm sure OP could find a way to spend a little extra money.;)

    Hope that help!

    Psilocybo.
     
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    hi, I had always used sodium bicarbonate, dissolving a little quantity of it in water, then adding the kane. usually results are pretty good, since one can clearly see the instant in which the base forms into the solution. also, ammonia would yeald even better results, but its less "forgiving" since if one waits a little too much the solution destroys the kane. sodium bicarbonate formed base has to be left drying more than ammonia one; but ammonia is also more harmful when smoked
     
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    Yeah, that's why they heat up the spoon, so that the water boils and the heat turns bicarbonate into carbonate. Ammonia is fine if you take precautions but you can use instead a 10% sodium carbonate solution.... 10gr. dissolved in 100ml. water
    google this: make carbonate sodium from baking soda.
     
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    How to make the best freebase:
    After a good acetone wash, the coke is completely dried and then dissolved in just enough distilled water.
    A 10% sodium carbonate solution is added and then the solution is stirred. If nothing more precipitates when adding the sodium, the base is then filtered out and the water discarded.
    The base is dried inside the filter and then chopped and washed in fresh distilled or alkaline tap water (1 g in 100 ml). Ephedrine and other cuts dissolve unlike the coke.
    Then it's filtered and dried between paper towels and then some heat but very gentle.
    When it's completely dry, it can be dissolved in Acetone (1 g in 20 ml), so that any undissolved impurity can be filtered.
    Then the acetone is evaporated to obtain awesome freebase or HCL coke can be obtained by adding 1:1 of HCL/Ethanol and stirring good
     
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    The guy down the block has been using sodium carbonate to make the crac but this last week or so he is getting very white rocks that turn all bubbly and foamy and smells and taste disgusting. What is he doing wrong?