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Injecting - Friends claim they get high from shooting suboxone?

Discussion in 'Buprenorphine' started by jaytwo96, Jul 7, 2010.

  1. jaytwo96

    jaytwo96 Silver Member

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    Is it possible to get high from shooting smaller doses of suboxone? A friend of mine doesn't do dope at all and claims he can get high from shooting them. Is he just getting a placebo effect? Is he actually getting high? SWIM never tried this because I heard it will put you into instant WD.
     
  2. Neznam

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    It will only put you into instant WD if one already has an Opiate addiction to say Heroin. If one does not, then shooting would result in them getting high.
     
  3. eqt146

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    Buprinorphine is actually quite a bit more potent than heroin dose for dose. It's given in small doses to treat opioid addiction, which wouldn't produce a high in a tolerant individual. For a non-tolerant individual like SWIM's friend, even a small dose of this (under 1 mg) would likely produce a high.
     
  4. jaytwo96

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    ok SWIMS other friend shoots dope just about everyday. I've seen him shoot dope and than a few hours later he'll shoot 2mg and insuffalate 6mg. That should most certainly make him sick no?
     
  5. Solinari

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    If this person 'doesn't do dope at all' yet still injects suboxone then he has a serious problem. I'm not sure what that problem is exactly but whatever it is it isn't good.

    Shooting suboxone means the naloxone in it will be active and it will cause more antagonist activity than buprenorphine on its own. He would probably get a better dunt off it if he took it properly.

    I found a website once that had 4 cases of people shooting subutex and it caused terrible problems with blocked vessels, some of them to the extent where their hands had to come off.
     
  6. jaytwo96

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    SWIM will advise this person to lay off the shooting of subs. thanks for the replies.
     
  7. RhinestoneCowboy

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    at 24 hours, swim wasnt sick enough to bang a sub, but he wanted to test the theory. it is certainly real, says he. almost instantly, he could feel a coldness sweep over his body, and instant pain. after 30 minutes the feeling subsided, and the agonist effect warmed him and rocked him to sleep. theres really no reason to inject suboxone. there's simply no easy way to remove the binders. even after filtering it 4 times, theres still clouds of shit in the shot. swim has done it in the past out of psychological desperation to fulfill some sort of masochistic appeal he has to seeing his own blood, and shoving an inch long needle in his fem.

    theres no rush. no reason to iv besides quicker onset. just insuffalate. it hits in 10 minutes for both IV and insuffalation, so pick the safer of the two, please.
     
  8. nomoremommyfood

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    just a quick question (and hopefully this is posted in the right forum) -

    what constitutes as an opiate naive individual? what i mean is, if someone had abused opiates in the past, then went through a period of complete sobriety from opiates, would they then be considered "naive" again, despite prior use? or would they always have somewhat of a tolerance and thus not be able to feel any "high" from suboxone use? Particularly in regards to insuffalation or oral use.

    Thanks in advance!
     
  9. xenos

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    This would indeed make him go into immediate withdrawals. If he waited long enough(3 days I believe) it would do the opposite and ease the withdrawals.

    Opiate naive people are, I assume, those without opiate tolerances. Suboxone and subutex will get opiate naive people high, and on dosages of MUCH LESS than 1mg. The high is maybe a little like tramadol for opiate naive people. It is a slightly speedy opiate feeling that sometimes causes irritability. Those with opiate tolerances will only feel treated withdrawal symptoms(if they have waited long enough), and possibly a slightly speedy feeling, but generally no opiate buzz.

    UTSE for a second and you will realize the dangers of shooting suboxone/subutex. DON'T DO IT
     
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  10. pokeswithneedles88

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    I have shot it, and it is hard to work up, and I didnt get high. I have known people that say they get high from just taking the pill, i never have gotten high from taking, snorting, or shooting the pill.... But I will say it works way better than methadone to actually help someone quit drugs.
     
  11. RaoulDuke32

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    ^^^exactly. its not for getting high but for maintenance. swim cant say for sure whether newbies could get high, supposedly its different for everyone(some non-opiate tolerant individuals get violently ill). as far as shooting it: 99% of the accounts ive heard send people into violent WDs like no other. even if you dont have opiates in your system for the naloxone to bump off, wouldnt it take out some of your endogenous opiates? either way subs dont really get you high, and using the needle is part of the habit you are trying to break. so why not just maintain on a maintenance drug?
     
  12. Harryfungletrumpet

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    Swim is stabilized on a suboxone maintenance program and has injected suboxone after filtering with a wheel filter and not felt any precipitated withdrawal. He wanted to test whether the "precipitated withdrawal with injection" story was true or bs, as through logic it didn't make sense to him that you could absorb naloxone sublingually and it "would not be activated".

    However it stands to reason that buprenorphine has a much higher affinity for the receptors than naloxone, so provided your receptors were already loaded, naloxone shouldn't be able to kick em off.

    This is only Swims observations, and he does not recommend anyone try this.
     
  13. Spucky

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    AW: Re: Friends claim they get high from shooting suboxone?

    This is only half right,
    Naloxone (in the right dosage) will kick off Buprenorphin but only for a short time (afaik. 20min.), in the ER. a permanent Surveillance is needed!
     
  14. crizzle

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    swim says: im on subutex, about 3-4mg per day. sometimes ill lower the dosage and take only 1mg in the morning and at the evening ill shoot some dope. ill take like .5mg subutex here and thereover the next few days here and there and shoot dope and get high from it. them go right back to 3-4mg sub per day. i think so long as you can keep a little sub in your system, you can use other opiates and not have to jump back on to sub or risk precip w/d. however, you definitely will have to use a lot more of the other opiate than usual to override the sub. for example.
     
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    Re: AW: Re: Friends claim they get high from shooting suboxone?

    For this reason, dosing Suboxone can be difficult, as the pet robot has noticed that there are in fact 2 peaks, which one obviously wouldn't expect from an opiate/oid.
     
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    My friend shoots his subs 6 times a day in doses around .5mg a shot. He feels slight euphoria and has never gotten sick from shooting them.
     
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  17. RaoulDuke32

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    ^subutex or suboxone?
     
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    It doesn't matter. The bupe has a higher affinity than the naloxone anyway.
     
  19. TheyCallMeRiggs

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    Yes. If he doesn't already have a tolerance to opiods, then he will get high from the sub.

    If you they don't have a tolerance currently, they will get high from subs.
    Your tolerance will drop over time after you stop using, and you will technically become opiate naive again when the receptors in your brain go back to 'normal'.

    -Riggs.
     
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    There is no point to shooting Suboxone. Yes it will get you high, but it is completely pointless.

    1) It's dangerous shooting pills, and there are enough reports of people needing amputations from shooting Suboxone to believe it is a significantly real danger.

    2) It won't get you any higher than a different ROA. The reason people inject drugs is for the rush. Suboxone will not give you a rush - end of story. Nobody has wanted a rush from Suboxone more than SWIM, and he has tried all different ways, it just doesn't happen. There is no point in injecting it when you could just take it sublingual or snort it and get the exact same effects. An extra 20-30% bioavailability with absolutely no other positive effects is not worth it.

    3) Injecting a disgusting orange syrup is just revolting. It still makes SWIM cringe when he thinks about the times he did it.