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Dose - Full Spectrum Kratom Extract and Tincture Dosing Questions

Discussion in 'Kratom' started by laws0n, Jan 23, 2010.

  1. laws0n

    laws0n Silver Member

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    SWIM just got 5 grams of "Kratom Full Spectrum Extract." His opiate tolerence is WAY down and has only tried kratom (15X I think) once before, a couple years back and remembered he liked the feeling.

    This "Full Spectrum Extract" claims that is extracts all the alkaloids instead of just 1 or 2 and suposively that makes it better? It claims that its "3X better than 15X" but I think alot of that is just marketing. It could be a bit stronger but SWIM doubts its really 45X.

    For anyone that has tried this before I could really benefit from how much You took, the effects, and how long it lasts (because SWIM forgot all about it). This is the "Full Spectrum Extract" not the "Tincture" so basically it looks like the normal extract except its light in color vs the dark brown that I remember.

    Thanks in advance =).
     
  2. Realization

    Realization Silver Member

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    Re: Full Spectrum Extract Dosing questions

    I was feeling pretty great (see note below) off of 1.7 grams of the full spectrum extract. No nausea what so ever. I would recommend .75g to 1.0g to start off, but this may be a little to much for a first time user, always start small and work swiys self up.

    Note: I am using Kratom to help with his withdrawal symptoms from an oxycodone habit. He was using around 100mg to 120mg a day of oxycodone, so this may be affecting his tolerance to Kratom.
     
  3. laws0n

    laws0n Silver Member

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    Re: Full Spectrum Extract Dosing questions

    SWIM ended up taking around 1-1.5 grams, and finished the 5g bag throughout the day. He ordered some more with some "powdered resin" and has realized that the resin was ALOT better than the "full spectrum extract". He would use like 1.5-2X the amount of resin that he used full spectrum and it would give him the same or even greater effects. He has experience with alot of opiates and is now off them, he decided to try kratom after a few years now that his opiate tolarance is nothing and he isnt taking suboxone anymore.


    I would rather have 2 ounces of resin than 10 grams of that extract stuff =).
     
  4. peacefrogdd

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    Re: Full Spectrum Kratom Extract Dosing Questions

    Sorry if this is out of place but, I am new here and I am expecting some
    Maximum-Strength Full-Spectrum Kratom Tincture in about an hour. I would like to know how many drops I should take? Swim only tried powder a couple of times and had not such great things happen. I would like a pain killer effect but, powder has only given swim the jittery feeling. I dont like that. I have been taking oxycodone for sometime now for chronic pain but I do not abuse it. Just thought I would try something else.

    peacefrogdd added 39 Minutes and 24 Seconds later...

    OK, so swim just took 11 drops of Mitragyna speciosa F/S kratom tincture. Swim mixed it with Sunny Delight juice. Shall see how this turns out.

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    Is Mitragyna speciosa the same as Maximum-Strength Full-Spectrum Kratom Tincture?
    Because swim ordered max but the bottle that came says Mitra...

    peacefrogdd added 45 Minutes and 3 Seconds later...

    1 hour and 15 minutes later I felt very little if anything so I took 5 more drops.

    peacefrogdd added 3 Minutes and 6 Seconds later...

    swim wonder if someone can tell swim how to post a reply with out it merging with swims last one. But swim honestly doubts a response to this question since I think she is all alone here..:(
     
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  5. Electrolingus

    Electrolingus Platinum Member & Advisor

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    Re: Full Spectrum Kratom Extract Dosing Questions

    Perhaps a little late with this answer, but one needs to know what type or variety of kratom leaf and how much was used to make a certain volume of the tincture. Or... what the percentage of total alkaloids per drop or millilitre is in order to be able to estimate what an average dose would be.


    Mitragyna speciosa is kratom... the leaf harvested from a tree in the mitragyna genus, which is a member of the Rubiaceae family of trees. So... Basically all that this description means, is that a non-specific variety of mitragyna speciosa (kratom) leaf was used to make the tincture. Most likely Bali.


    You can't. If the posts are back to back within the same day (I believe), then the system will automatically merge them to reduce the number of posts in a particular thread.:)
     
  6. Space Numpty

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    Re: Full Spectrum Kratom Extract Dosing Questions

    The quality of tinctures varies greatly and the cheaper ones are crap from what SWIM hears. The fact that the product You has is called "maximum strength" gives SWIM the impression that it is one of the cheaper crap ones as the real god stuff doesnt have to use such basic marketing ploys. Genuinely good tinctures are VERY expensive.

    If You wants to find what Kratoms all about, I recommend they get their hands on some UEI (Ultra enhanced Indo) and take 1 gram. If that doesnt blow yous tits off then she may be one of those people who seem to get less from Kratom. The fact she is taking perscription opiates will have some effect on the potency of kratom too. Note that SWIM also recommends that You does not regularly take UEI as it ruins ones tolerance and renders all standard leaf pretty much useless, but it would be good to try once just to see how yous body is effected by Kratom and if it is for her.
     
  7. peacefrogdd

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    Re: Full Spectrum Kratom Extract Dosing Questions

    Thanks so much for all the info Very helpful :)

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    Hello people, just wanted to say that today I took 28 drops of the tincture in their coffee and, they feel so amazing right now. They dont feel high as a kite, just very energetic and like they can do everything they need to do, no jitters and no nausea and the best is that I has NO pain! Its so awesome for swim to not have pain!!!!
     
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    Re: Full Spectrum Kratom Extract Dosing Questions

    welcome to the magic healing powers of kratom. now please remember to use swim(Someone Who Isnt Me) or a friend of a friend when posting on the forums, even in regards to legal ethnobotanicals.
     
  9. peacefrogdd

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    OH MAN... I was so excited about how she felt that she totally forgot about swim!!!! I am sorry:s

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    Thanks Electrolingus for editing, I will be more careful in future posts
     
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  10. cjarizona

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    SWIM recenlt recieved 6 ml of FST and the product claimed that 1ml was equal to 75 g of leaf. Well, that made SWIM a little nervous, so I used a syringe to pull up the tincture and got about 1/3 of a cc (would be equal to 25g according to the package) and sprayed it in his tea.

    About 30 minues later, I was full on blown out with a buzz that I hadn't had since his OC days. The package was not lying. This also justified the $100 price tag for 6ml.

    Swim still has about half of it left, and it arrived almost 2 weeks ago. This is serisously powerful stuff, and I would caution anybody who orders FST to be EXTREMELY careful with it. If I had taken 2ml or maybe even 1ml at once I would have been in big trouble and no doubt would have had a bad result. If I had thrown caution to the wind and used the whole tincture at once, SWIM probably would not be here today.

    Folks, FST is no joke.
     
  11. Would-Be MD

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    SWIM's GF took just a small sip that I had mixed up for himself of FST and a little juice, probably two droppers full, she ingested maybe half a dropper and her pupils were almost gone and she spent the whole night vomiting. SWIM finished the glass and felt fine, although he's bigger and generally has a high tolerance for most all substances.

    But as a cautionary tale, yeah, she just took a small sip of what SWIM considered a pretty weak mix and was nearly incapacitated by it. So 1) different doses for different people and 2) FSTs are usually no joke. They will definitely have an effect, even in what seems to be small amounts.
     
  12. cjarizona

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    Absolutely... Good FST is pricy, but it's way better than most opiates IMO. As I said earlier, the package cautioned that 1ml was equal to 75 g of leaf. If anyone was to throw caution to the wind and just put a few drops on their tongue, I have no doubt they would become incapacitated pretty fast.

    The FST that SWIM received is best measured using a syringe. Even then, SWIm doesn't recommend just squirting onto the tongue (as I did). Rather, put it into about 6 oz of water, then sip the water slowly until you get the desired effect.
     
  13. Would-Be MD

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    Yeah it's pretty surprising how little you need, but then again with most meds, like hydro or oxy, you just need a few mg, which liquified would be a matter of milliliters. It's just deceiving when it's in a 20 ml bottle, heh.
     
  14. cjarizona

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    And I think it's really important that folks know that FST is MUCH more powerful than any other type of kratom, especially if you find a good supplier who knows how to get real good kratom.

    So, as I said earlier, what I do is to put maybe a drop or two into 6oz of water or juice, stir and then slowly sip the beverage, stopping once you begin to feel the desired effect.