fumarate ??????

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  1. psykochamane

    psykochamane Silver Member

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    A friend of mine, saw "fumarate" at the end of a chemical formula.
    Some one can tell me more about that (fumarate).
    I found in the forum and no found nothing. except :" more stable compound" is it true?
    Thanks in advance!!!
    Psykochamane
     
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    computergod Newbie

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    Something to do with fumaric acid I would assume.
     
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    entin88 Silver Member

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    DMT fumarate is the form used in injection. i would assume this could be used the same way.
     
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    Google is your friend: "A fumarate is a salt or ester of the organic compound fumaric acid, a dicarboxylic acid." In this case, the fumerate of 3-[2-(isopropylmethylamino)-ethyl]-4-indolol used most likely because it is more stable than other salts and it will make the chemical less hydroscopic.

    So yes, in answer to your question, it is true.
     
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    If a compound is active via oral administration in the freebase and HCl forms, would the fumarate also be orally active?
     
  6. turkeyphant

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    The compound I mentioned above certainly is.
     
  7. psykochamane

    psykochamane Silver Member

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    and about the dosage i saw that the dosage is upper for fumarate. is it true too and how many upper on average?
     
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    Nagognog2 Iridium Member

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    Do the chemistry: Look up what a fumarate is regards it's molecular weight. Now look up a hydrochloride. Figure out, using basic math, the difference. I'll give you all a hint - .HCl is arguably 36.5. Carbon is 12. Hydrogen is 1. Oxygen is 8.

    If Hydrochloride (HCl) is 36.5, what is Chlorine?
     
  9. nostawk

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    If anyone researches 4-ho-mipt fumerate please post about its stability

    thanks
     
  10. psykochamane

    psykochamane Silver Member

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    Thank you all
     
  11. turkeyphant

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    As I mentioned above, it is more stable than the HCl salt.
     
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    Maybe so, but the 4-HO grouping of any tryptamine has troubles with oxidation, resulting in the quality of the product degrading very quickly.
     
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    ^you forgot to add 'when handled and stored improperly'
     
  14. bearded

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    No doubt. My apologies. Strassman noted that they used the fumarate of DMT for the IV studies because it dissolves more readily in saline solutions than other salts do.