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Effects - Getting high of suboxone

Discussion in 'Buprenorphine' started by sliek0722, Oct 12, 2010.

  1. sliek0722

    sliek0722 Newbie

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    I have no opiate tolerance nor opiate addiction. Once in awhile, swim ingests Percocet 10's to get high. He really enjoys it. Today, swim came across an 8mg suboxone. Reading that this shit is potent, he scraped a little off the edge and made a nice tiny line and snorted it. Felt nothing. He scraped off a little more and snorted it. Still nothing. Scraped off more, estimating to be about 1/8th of the pill. He felt a little somthing but no euphoria. Mainly sedation. And he got a headache.

    Is this normal or did Swim not take enough? Or should I eat the pill instead of snorting it?
     
  2. Hunokeli

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    suboxone usually takes an hour or so to kick in, I started snoring them but popping isnt half bad

    never take more than a quarter pill for your first time, you have to find the right dosage that gives you the feeling you want without puking. NEVER eat the whole thing its all about balancing the dose/puking for swim

    btw swim loves suboxone

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    also they are prescribed to be taken under the tounge (hence the orangy taste) not that anyone actually does this.
     
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  3. sliek0722

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    Yes Swim just realized that. It took an hour to kick in... snorting it! Why so long? Snorting pills is supposed to have a rapid onset. I would have eaten it instead if he knew that.
     
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    yeah even when my cat snorted them they took and hour plus to really kick in. just be careful there's a fine line between puking and bliss with these
     
  5. Spucky

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    AW: Getting high of suboxone

    Headache is very common and imo. a sign of a over-dosage!
    (but not OD/ Overdose.!)

    People who are Opioid-Naive (no tolerance at all) should not use more than 1mg.
    for a recreational effect!
     
  6. sliek0722

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    Well after swim's first night on suboxone, he is spending the next day SICK. Like beyond sick. He has thrown up 8 times so far. He is extremely dizzy and his face is totally pale.

    I have never been this sick from taking opiates before.. even heroin didn't do this to him.

    But I did enjoy a mild euphoria before he fell asleep. Still, the euphoria from oxy and heroin is way better.
     
  7. kailey_elise

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    This might sound odd, but your friend got sick because he took TOO much. Dosing too high on opiates/opioids causes DYSPHORIA & headache & constant nausea. Being that buprenorphine works for, like, up to 72 hours, he has a lot to look forward to, eh? ;)

    Swallowing buprenorphine (Suboxone/Subutex/Temegesic) causes it to be not NEARLY as effective. This is why it is used sublingually (under the tongue).

    Bupe is crazy, obscenely potent! Think about it - someone addicted to taking, saying, 200+mg a day of oxycodone can be well, unsick & able to go about their day with a mere 2mg! This stuff is STUPIDLY potent, and really should NOT be fucked with by the opiate naive!

    Like methadone, some effects can be felt as early as 20 minutes after dosing, but it can take up to 1.5 to 2 hours to feel full effects. IF your friend decides to mess with this again, half of the dose taken the last time is recommended, and waiting over an hour before redosing, if needed.

    Also, bupe is not *that* euphoric (why do you think it's used as opioid maintenance treatment? ;) they don't want their patients getting *gasp!* high! :rolleyes: ), though, of course, it is still an opioid, so there will still be some "feel good" effects to it for the opiate naive.

    Something to SERIOUSLY consider: buprenorphine is so potent, that it is REALLY REALLY hard to reverse an overdose with naloxone. Normally, if someone OD'd on heroin/oxy/morphine, the doctor/hospital/EMTs would inject the patient with Narcan and all will be well (provided they arrived at the patient in time). HOWEVER, with bupe, this is REALLY hard to do, because bupe has a stronger affinity for the opiate receptors than naloxone does! Normally, naloxone knocks every other opioid off the receptors, but it doesn't really work that way with bupe! And because it's soooooo long-acting (and naloxone is so short acting), it requires a few days hospital stay, to make sure the patient doesn't die.

    Tell your friend to think long and hard about that fact, before he goes messing with such a potent substance again, just to get high. He might not come back.

    I'd tell him to leave the Suboxone to the junkies...

    ~Kailey
     
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    Yes, if one reads the suboxone experience reports on Erowid, it's almost amazing how common violent puking episodes are when opiate naive people take it. Very common. Even in low doses. And it ain't all that great either. Sedation is about the best you'll get, no real "euphoria" like with traditional opiates. Not to say I don't enjoy it, it just isn't that great. Not to mention you can't take anymore real opiates for at least a day cus of the blocking effect. So if all you got is a 2mg and you don't get that high, if you take any real opiates to boost that high, it won't have any effect. Swim made this mistake several times and wasted a lot of pills.

    If I hasn't taken any opiates for say a week, 4 mg suboxone will get him pretty buzzed. An 8 will actually get him pretty damn loaded. But he's been around the block with opiates a few times. He can handle large doses. He once saw this girl who didn't take opiates much eat a quarter of a 2 mg, .5mg and get FUCKED UP. She was nodding hard and couldn't keep her eyes open. Then she had crazy projectial vomiting for probably 12 hours. She couldn't even take a sip of water without puking it up. Hell, she barely got out of bed for 3 days after. From .5!! This shit is strong. People really need to know what the deal is before they use subs to get high. So yeah, I'd say 1mg tops for someone who isn't a regular user. Even that can be too much.

    When they first started getting popular, I thought they were a fucking joke. He thought they wouldn't do shit until he actually took one. He bought an 8 from a guy for an okay price but he still thought he'd be dissapointed. The guy told him only take half at first but swim being the hardcore motherfucker he is took the whole 8. Before he got home, he could barely keep his eyes open. He was high for a good 24 hrs. This shit ain't no joke.
     
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    Good advice in this thread..

    I'd like to reiterate what Spucky said about headaches being a sign of taking a bit too much. If You is trying to get high from suboxone, realize that the most pleasure he'll get out of the drug will be a tiny amount less than the dosage that gave him a headache.
     
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    Suboxone does jack shit for swim. He would rather have nothing than take Suboxone. Subutex on the other hand gives euphoria of heroin with less sedation and lasts longer.
    Don't forget suboxone is not just buprenorphine it has naloxone blocker in it too.... ruins effect of buprenorphine completely for swim :(
     
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    I have alot of experience with subs.

    He snorts it 4-8mg's at a time and gets pretty high within minutes.

    It does take long to FULLY kick in...but I was DEFINITELY feeling it strong within 20 min's insufflated.

    I used to snort it in the bathroom at work and nod out at his desk.

    ALSO: for completely opiate naieve people (No tolerance at all.) SWIM gave them some. Like 2-4 mg's snorted and they would be puking within an hour constantly for 2-3 days straight!

    Yeah....I wouldnt recommend more than .5mg's of Bup for anyone w/o any tolerance.

    They'd see me snortin' up big piles every few hours and thought they could do the same. OH HOW BADLY THEY SUFFERED!!!!!!!!!!!!

    They all would say it was strong and thought it couldnt get any stronger, but it kept getting stronger and stronger over the course of an hour or two.

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    I have heard the nalaxone from suboxone doesnt affect you at all. He heard that even when it's IV'd, the Nalaxone doesnt even affect you.

    It's supposed to be a bullshit scare tactic from the manufacturer?

    Anyone out there IV Suboxone and NOT go into WD?
     
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    Headaches are a normal part of the introduction to bupe (subutex or suboxone is irrelevant) dosing and will subside with daily use.
     
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    Back when I had no tolerence, he poped 50mg DPH and 1mg Bupe. Generic bupe and had an AMAZING experience.
     
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    SWIM"S dog never got headaches from suboxone.

    This dog got very very good results from short-acting opiates and THEN transitioning to suboxone after at least 12+ hours of withdrawl (WD). FUll, sweaty, painful, awful, scary WD's. Otherwise Withdrawals gets worse than ever.

    My dog was taking 4mgs suboxone 4x's day on and off btwn real opiates and methadone for at least 2.5 years.

    NEVER had headaches during its use, but remembers headaches BEFORE it's use. In fact they were the worst headaches : Cluster headaches!! Nothing touches the pain of a cluster headache says the canine.

    Possibly, Stadol....sprayed into the nostril of the side where the cluster headaches come. Always on same side for the dog.

    Breathing pure oxygen is the best way to snuff out a cluster headache swims dog said from muuch experience.
     
  15. Ozman2010

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    I'm on my second month of Suboxone therapy - and thank god for it. But anyway, concerning getting "high" from it: Suboxone makes me feel good, yes. It's a 'healthy' kind of good feeling though. (My physical heakth is in fact much better now.). It's tough to describe or to compare with other medicines/drugs. Feelings of being 'refreshed' and also 'peaceful' are good descriptors I think. But definitely not intoxicated or stoned. And it is true that 16 mg.doesn't feel any better than 2 mg Its just that higher doses guarantee a longer duration of effect. I fortunately do not crave my former drugs of choice - and that's the objective of Suboxone therapy.
     
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    I am currently mantained on (high dose) Suboxone, so I can speak from personal experience in this. For me anyway, I don't believe it's possible to 'get high' on buprenorphine/Suboxone. Not opiate-style high. Now, there were times when I could feel the Suboxone (for lack of better description) 'grabbing my opiate receptors' -- it's difficult to describe, but my arms & legs would become lead-like and relaxed, kind of -- but no classical opiate warmth or sunny euphoria or anything like that. And any RLS or restlessness would suddenly be gone. I can absolutely tell that the Suboxone has satisfied my receptors, but there's not much more than that really. And yeah there is a sedation component to it, usually 90 min. after I dose, but not the 'dopey' kind of sedation. Again, I feel like it"s hard to describe accurately in words. One last thing I'd like to mention, the ceiling effect & the 'less is more' theory. True -- at some certain dosage one won't feel any more effect from Suboxone, no matter how much more they take ( for me personally that ceiling is at 12 mg.). So many people mistakenly then believe that 4 mg.is every bit as effective as 24 mg. But that isn't true, not for proper maitenance therapy it isn't true anyway. Less is not more with Suboxone. At increasing dosages Suboxone satisfies more receptors, leaving none bare and also the half life & duration increases to an optimal level. So a 24 mg. dose, for example, works longer and gives more protection than a 4 or 2 mg. dose.