Getting high with people in AA

Discussion in 'General Addiction discussion' started by paulywould, Mar 2, 2005.

  1. paulywould

    paulywould Newbie

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    I had the weirdest dream last night. Now I have had plenty of drunk dreams and drug dreams before, but this one was odd. I was working in a wharehouse with my freind from AA. He had some back pain. A chick he knows came in and he got some free vicodin from her. I was like "what the hell's going on?" He said "Yeah, go ask her for some" I asked her and she charged me for a 10mg. She also said she had other shit.


    Now I'm not even the biggest fan of opiates. It was weird that a guy in the program was freinds with this girl and told me to go for it. I don't know, just strange. I woke up before I took them.


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  2. frankiegirl

    frankiegirl Newbie

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    i like this dream, i currently enjoy the best of both worlds,,however, i know its got to be one or the other
     
  3. Eirias

    Eirias Gold Member

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    In my experience, a fair amount of AA members engage in various
    mind-altering substance use once in awhile, and occasionally alcohol
    itself. Often due to probation or pressure they lie about their
    use and maintain whatever "sobriety date" they originally
    claimed. Sometimes, they remain abstinent from alcohol but they
    partake of marijuana or other substances, frequently not abusing them
    the way they abused alcohol or whatever their substance of choice was.

    Since the language of AA more-or-less dictates that "a drug is a
    drug is a drug", and that once one is an "addict" or "alcoholic" that
    any substance use they engage in is merely a substitution for their
    drug of choice, any admission in front of the group of such behavior is
    an open enticement for them to define it as a clear-cut case of a
    relapse. The ironic thing is that AA and NA are both programs
    that heavily rely on the individual's active participation in following
    through with the 12 steps, attending regular meetings, and doing most
    of the recovery work themsleves and thus within their own
    parameters. Should it not follow then that since each individual
    and his/her particular situation is unique, that sobriety and recovery
    are inhertenly to be defined according to specific criteria ultimately
    established by the individual and the individual only? If one is
    an alcohol abuser, a self-proclaimed "alcoholic", yet one is not
    habituated or abusive in using marijuana and does not follow the same
    behavioral patterns therein as those associated with their drug of
    choice, then does that individual's use of cannabis truly constitute
    "drug abuse" per se and have they in fact relapsed?

    Unfortunately, to avoid loopholes and contradictions and to
    discourage "denial" of actual drug abuse, and to maintain a sense of
    uniformness and conformity among the group, AA and NA have somewhat
    painted themselves into a corner in this respect due to the rigidity of
    their "black-and white" definitions. Any member who claims
    otherwise is dismissed as being in "denial" of their addictive behavior
    (and subsequently bombarded with a barrage of rhyming cliche sayings
    and clever truisms), and is condemned by the organization/group as not
    to imply any double-standard or an atmosphere of permissiveness.

    So, ultimately to save face, but also to avoid persecution, the
    casual non-abusive user of a substance to which he or she is not
    habituated continues to remain clandestine, having become a curious
    victim of the onerous nature of the 12-step system model and its "one
    size fits all" approach to recovery, while at the same time being
    grateful of the program's assistance in their triumph over whatever was
    their "problem drug" and the return to a more productive life, which
    includes an earnest effort on his/her part to continue "working the
    program" and adopting much of its values and moral perceptions.

    If only there was another way for these types of programs to
    understand the variation of individual situations, as well as the
    inherent and natural drive for humans to alter their consciousness (see
    "The Natural Mind" by Dr. Andrew Weil), and yet still be available and
    applicable to so many different types of potential compulsions and
    habituations.
     
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  4. Eirias

    Eirias Gold Member

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    For the record I'm not "against" or "anti" AA or NA or any 12-step
    program for that matter, I just wanted to point out this particular
    dilemma that arises in this type of treatment. I wholeheartedly
    believe that the more options that are available for recovery from drug
    compulsion and habituation the better, with 12-step programs obviously
    included. Clearly, different therapy modalities are best for
    different cases, and if we cannot redefine the mechanisms of a
    particular program, then our only option is to create viable and
    successful alternatives to it.

    My deepest respect goes out to any and all who have overcome
    their enslavement or troubled relationship to a behavior or substance,
    as the courage and strength required to succeed in overcoming such an
    arduous obstacle renders it among the most difficult tasks a human
    being can undertake.
     
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  5. brooklyn718

    brooklyn718 Silver Member

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    I agree, many people in AA do other substances than alcohol, ive seen it myself. Someone who says "i dont even touch aspirins" drinks 10 cups of coffee a day and smokes 2 packs of "reds" a day. So much for the anti-drug shit that comes out of his mouth!!!
     
  6. Muirner

    Muirner Gold Member

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    i could say that your having these dreams because your body is going through withdrawls from alcohol. I had these when i quit smoking bud for a while but it was usualy with just weed. i have talked to some people who have dreams about all sorts of drugs after they have quit their drug of choice... maybe it's just your mind remembering the good ol days or something


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  7. Eirias

    Eirias Gold Member

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    Is it just me, or doesn't seem like everytime you're having a
    dream such as that-- about getting high or having sex-- that right
    before you feel the effects of the drug or have an orgasm, you wake up??

    I had dreams about doing heroin in jail, and I'd ALWAYS wake up,
    often very dopesick and in opiate withdrawl, right before I hit myself
    with the needle in my dream. Sometimes the heroin would be just
    getting pushed into my bloodstream, and then I'd suddenly jolt awake--
    sick, chilled, and super jonesed-out, with 150 cops and jail-guards,
    dozens of feet of concrete and steel, and a 30-foot high barb-wired
    fence eyeballed 24-7 by a sniper in a watchtower between me and the
    nearest bit of heroin.
     
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  8. hippie_lain

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    I used to do drugs or have them EVERY night in my dreams. Usually a bag of coke. Worst part was i woke up usually before i dida line too. Your dreams seem a bit more disapointing though. Never touched herion, knew id be an addict.
     
  9. Muirner

    Muirner Gold Member

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    your dreams are more or less whats on your mind.. it is like your mind just sorting everything out, and if you specifically think about something all the time, or it's part of your life then sure your dreams will reflect that. expecially if your body needs it to function like with heroin... i know personally when i was watching movies about this kid doing meth and reading all this shit on his site i had dreams about it, they were crazy but i never actually did it... i find that i i'll never do something in a dream i've never done in real life.. but if i do do it in a dream it always gets cut short


    Muirner
     
  10. butter

    butter Silver Member

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    Nough people are in AA, cause they got busted and have to do it as part of a court order. They don't really give a shit just want to get it done with. Some of them are seriously there to recover......hopefully..
     
  11. raven3davis

    raven3davis R.I.P. Palladium Member R.I.P.

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    I have lately been having wierd dreams about psychadelics. The
    other day I had a dream that I got a sheet of acid, and before buying
    it I took some to make sure it was real, and I started tripping in my
    dream. I also had a dream I got some DMT and smoked it, and felt
    the effects in my dream. Too bad it didn't last.