International - Global Drug War Is Being Won, Illegal Use `Contained,' UN Says

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  1. Lunar Loops

    Lunar Loops Driftwood Platinum Member & Advisor

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    You have to wonder where the spin doctors who come up with these PR pieces are coming from? Do they really believe their own spin? Do they really expect anyone with any intelligence to believe them? Anyway, this from Bloomberg.com (http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=10000082&sid=aAaOA27BfEEE&refer=canada) :

    Global Drug War Is Being Won, Illegal Use `Contained,' UN Says
    June 26 (Bloomberg) -- The world is winning the war on drugs, according to a United Nations report that said opium production might soon be eradicated in Asia's notorious ``Golden Triangle'' and coca cultivation in the Andean region of South American has decreased 25 percent since 2000.
    ``Drug control is working and the world drug problem is being contained,'' Antonio Maria Costa, head of the UN Office on Drugs and Crime said in a statement accompanying the release today of the agency's 2006 World Drug Report. ``In the past few years, worldwide efforts to reduce the threat posed by illicit drugs have halted a quarter-century-long rise in drug abuse.''
    The report said opium production decreased 5 percent in 2005, and described cocaine production and the global market for amphetamine-type stimulants as ``stable.'' Illegal drug use has been limited to 5 percent of people aged 15 to 64, about 200 million users worldwide in a year, including 25 million addicts, according to the UN.
    Continuing concerns include rising global use of marijuana, signs that opium production will increase in Afghanistan this year, cocaine abuse in Western Europe and the manufacture of methamphetamines in Southeast Asia. Marijuana and hashish are the most widely used drugs in the world, by an estimated 162 million people, the UN agency said.
    Skepticism
    The UN's optimism should be viewed with skepticism, according to Jeffrey Miron, processor of economics at Boston University and a drug policy analyst for the Independent Institute, an Oakland, California-based research organization.
    ``If you read these reports over time from the UN or the U.S. drug czar, you see a constant up and down, from claims of victory to statements that things are horrible,'' Miron said in an interview. ``You tend to find that a problem that is solved one place shifts to another. There will always be some uses going up and some going down, and these reports don't address issues like the costs of drug use from diseases spread by needles or infringements on civil rights from the drug war.''
    Sandeep Chawla, the report's co-author, credited a combination of education, enforcement and eradication programs begun in 1909, when the U.S. organized the first international conference on illegal drugs in Shanghai.
    ``The drug control system began there,'' Chawla said. ``World opium production was 30,000 tons then; now it's around 5,000 tons. If the drug market had been as unregulated since then as tobacco, it would have spread well beyond 5 percent perhaps to the 30 percent that use tobacco now.''
    Opium Production
    Opium poppy cultivation decreased 22 percent last year, to 374,634 acres (151,609 hectares), due to lower cultivation in Afghanistan, Myanmar and Laos, the UN said. With an estimated opium production of 14 tons, Laos might soon be ``opium poppy free,'' according to the report.
    In Afghanistan, where opium poppy cultivation decreased last year for the first time since 2001, when the radical Islamist Taliban regime was deposed, planting increased early this year.
    ``Afghanistan's drug situation remains vulnerable to reversal because of mass poverty, lack of security and the fact that the authorities have inadequate control over its territory,'' Costa said.
    The area of Bolivia, Colombia and Peru under coca cultivation was unchanged last year, and well below levels recorded in 2000, the UN said. Cultivation decreased 8 percent in Bolivia and 4 percent in Peru last year, while it increased by 8 percent in Colombia.
     
  2. Woodman

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    Ya beat me to it!
     
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    The war on drugs is as much a failure as the war on terror.
     
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    Well it's even more pathetic that the drug war has been going on for decades now and they still haven't realised that it's not working... How long will it take for them to realize on the war on terror? We're in for a couple of great decades...

    Articles like these issued by the UN or other governments are just to save face amongst the general public who believe all the crap their feeded. Are people ignorant or simply stupid? How is it that we and other individuals actually understand how it works, and because we actually the truth, we're the ones that are seen as the idiots.

    Meh, sorry SWIM just feels like there is no hope for rational thinking tonight...

    :joint:
     
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    UK 'too soft on cannabis dangers'

    Oh dear god, abandon all hope ye who think minds can be changed (well, not really...keep on fighting). This will either make you laugh or cry, but it isn't great reading from the United Nations of ignorance. "As dangerous as heroin and cocaine". "Cannabis pandemic".....oh this truly is a great read

    This appeared on Telegraph (UK) website (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml;jsessionid=2ZUIB3WHOUVS3QFIQMGCFFOAVCBQUIV0?xml=/news/2006/06/27/ndrug27.xml) :


    UK 'too soft on cannabis dangers'
    By Philip Johnston, Home Affairs Editor
    (Filed: 27/06/2006)


    New strains of highly potent cannabis are as dangerous as heroin and cocaine and the drug can no longer be dismissed as "soft and relatively harmless", the United Nations said yesterday.
    In an implied criticism of Britain's decision to downgrade cannabis, Antonio Maria Costa, the head of the UN Office on Drugs and Crime, said that countries got the "drug problem they deserved" if they maintained inadequate policies.
    His comments indicated deep unhappiness with the Government's decision to reclassify cannabis from a Class B drug to Class C. Heroin and cocaine are Class A substances, attracting the toughest penalties for possession and trafficking.
    "Policy reversals leave young people confused as to just how dangerous cannabis is," said Mr Costa, introducing the Vienna-based organisation's annual report.
    "With cannabis-related health damage increasing, it is fundamentally wrong for countries to make cannabis control dependent on which party is in government. The cannabis pandemic, like other challenges to public health, requires consensus, a consistent commitment across the political spectrum and by society at large."
    Mr Costa said that cannabis was now "considerably more potent" than a few decades ago. It was "a mistake" to dismiss it as a soft drug.
    "Today the harmful characteristics of cannabis are no longer that different from those of other plant-based drugs such as cocaine and heroin," he said.
    The UN report estimates that 160 million people use the drug worldwide, with a growing market for stronger strains - known as skunk, among other names - which are far stronger than when most of today's policy-makers were young.
    The study claimed that a ''significant'' number of cannabis users had experienced panic attacks, paranoia and "psychotic symptoms" during cannabis intoxication - dangers heightened by the growing availability of stronger varieties.
    It said: ''Despite early claims to the contrary, cannabis dependence is a reality. Many people who use cannabis find it difficult to stop, even when it interferes with other aspects of their lives, and more than a million people from all over the world enter treatment for cannabis dependence each year.
    ''Research indicates that younger users, whose brains are still developing, may be especially vulnerable to the negative effects of cannabis. Despite its normalisation in some countries and its occasional celebration in popular culture, it should be noted that cannabis is a powerful drug that has recently become more powerful in many parts of the world.''
    Britain downgraded cannabis two years ago in an effort to free police resources to concentrate on ''serious'' drugs, such as crack and heroin. A review of that decision in January this year retained the current classification.
    David Davis, the shadow home secretary, said the UN report indicated that "the Government's seriously confused course of action on cannabis has led to chaos and confusion".
    The Home Office emphasised that cannabis remained illegal even if its classification had been lowered. It claimed that its use had declined among young people.
    A spokesman said: ''It is harmful and illegal and no one should take it."
    The report also expressed concern about growing cocaine use, particularly in western Europe, where demand was reaching "alarming levels".
    "I urge European Union governments not to ignore this peril,'' Mr Costa said. "Too many professional, educated Europeans use cocaine, often denying their addiction, and drug abuse by celebrities is often presented uncritically by the media leaving young people confused and vulnerable."
    A report from the European Union's Monitoring Centre for Drugs and Drug Addiction said that drug deaths in Europe were at their highest ever.
     
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    The drug problem the Government deserves

    And there's more folks...dear god, there's more. Again from The Telegraph (UK) (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/opinion/main.jhtml?xml=/opinion/2006/06/27/dl2701.xml) :

    The drug problem the Government deserves
    (Filed: 27/06/2006)

    A United Nations report yesterday implicitly condemned Britain for downgrading cannabis from a Class B to a Class C drug. It added that new strains of the drug meant it was not "soft and relatively harmless". It said cannabis-related health damage is increasing, and that lax policies confuse young people about the harm cannabis causes.
    Most caustically, it said countries whose governments pursue weak policies "get the drugs problems they deserve".
    The effects of this failure are all too clear in Britain today. Senior police estimate that more than 70 per cent of crimes are drug-related. The terrifying epidemic of casual knife crime is being widely attributed to these causes.
    One argument against stiffer sentences for such criminals is that as their mind is altered by drugs when they offend, greater punishment is no deterrent. Perhaps the deterrent should be sufficient to remind them, when they are not under the influence, of the consequences of becoming so. Perhaps, more to the point, it is time the Government realised that protecting society from unprovoked, violent crime by taking a hard line against drugs users and dealers would be very much in the public's interest.
    Sadly, leaders of all political parties seem afraid to speak out or act against drugs use. There was a review earlier this year of whether cannabis should be upgraded again, but it was decided to leave it as Class C so the police could focus on Class A substances. This is based on a wrong conception of the harm cannabis does.
    As for the Conservatives, when the then home affairs spokesman Ann Widdecombe called for zero tolerance of drugs she was howled down by those who felt she was unfashionable and out of touch.
    David Cameron is on record as supporting the declassification of cannabis when he served on the Commons Home Affairs Select Committee, and has not rescinded this view since becoming leader. In short, politicians are afraid to condemn drugs use and seek firm action against users and pushers because they fear it may prevent them from looking "modern".
    Such attitudes are dangerous. Drugs use is physically damaging thousands of our young people. Those who start with the "soft" Class C often progress to Class A. The violent and erratic behaviour in which they may indulge harms them, their families, their friends and, in a distressingly growing number of incidents, their innocent victims.
    Cannabis should be re-classified as Class B without delay. The Government should then make it clear to the police that there is the unequivocal political will to enforce the law - however many more prison places that might require.
     
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    I agreee cannabis being aas "dangerous" as cocaine and heroin, etc. for some, especially if thought cannabis is the only drug that´s OK to take.

    I dare to say it´s only that widespread, because it´s keeping you paralysed in your thoughts, and thus your´e better controled than the rebel on speed, MDMA .. .

    Damn, smoking is very dangerous and stimulates yes even pushes the brain to a morphin-lilke addiction pattern, in fact it is the same pattern.

    And no-one tells me, that you´ll succed in school, or any other degree or at qwork right, if you´re high and need to learn things. Working your expereinced profesion maybe another thing together with a THC tolerance.

    But all those, who have had to succed in learning had to use Amphetamines, to get the job done. I know of none who didn´t, which means speed helps or it´s not possible without it if you´re a weed-smoker.

    I think they´re right, with classifying canabis as B. but then again speed should be over the counter, as it hardly find any reason against it.

    I think people are getting smarter again, thinking, that this can´t be it.

    What the hell has the war on drugs to do with their own lives theri relation to their children?

    Why do they have to give their money to the powers thst´s then spned for somnething theý hardly understand?

    Ehy are 2-3 mio. children on Ritalin and dexedrine, and healthy and OK, why are the raves just funny shit without the neccessity to hire Gyms and public rooms for the dead corpses of Amphatamine-derivates users, why does it help me with asthma, concentration, what it also does in ADS and in normal men, and so on and why are alcohol addicts so much worse, etc. , whyér OTC painkillers Ok if you can end with the loss of kidney?

    Why could everybod get the drug he wanted in a short period of time, where´s the protection to this threat, why are there so many things missing, that religoin and kids and everything needs to get more aggressive and stikk is not satisfying the people?

    Whre are the entactoges the empathy, the spriituality, the clreaness of mind, the energy and why are there so many substances and why do some and even most users still lok very good and live their lives?

    No, you can´t be too blind, especially if you´re beginign to realize, that hanging on stricrtly to the system is far less satosfaying than followong your own nature which is expereincing in every way everything you like to expereince.

    I)f you set humanswill over thoes of nature, even your own, then life will be destroyed as a consequence, whilst nature will have it´s way for sure at any price, though it maybe death.

    Prada- Wiölli syndrom -you´ll be fat and die of it, or life shorter.

    Be lucky and eat and die early, or get "help" force yourself through suffeing and pain, spend your whole money to the Clinics and die early of Prada-Willi.
     
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      make som research before stating facts that are false.
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  9. Lunar Loops

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    Not at all sure what any of your points are there co-incidence. Equating cannabis with heroin and cocaine is ludicrous. How many deaths have you heard of from cannabis use? How many lives have you heard of being ruined by cannabis use?

    Of course it's not a good idea to be at school and high, for starters schoolchildren should not be taking substances of any kind, legal or otherwise, especially during lesson time. Of course it's not a good idea to be at work and high, but what's your point? These are all things that are done, or should be done, recreationally. That is OUTSIDE of work hours and alcohol has the greatest effect on lost work hours.

    I went through University without having to take speed or any equivalent and most of the people I know did so also. I have absolutely no idea what you are on about.

    I have nothing against speed or derivatives, but to think that there is absolutley nothing wrong with it by comparison is also ludicrous. Have you never heard the term speed freak? You've obviously never known or met anyone addicted to speed who become so paranoid that they are afraid to go out of their own front door. Cowering and twitching behind the couch at every sound and convinced that the neighbours are out to get them. This is not an argument for making it less available either though.

    I really do have no idea what the point of your message is.

    Why bring Prader-Willi syndrome into all of this? What on earth has that to do with argument? It can indeed be VERY debillitating, but what are you suggesting that all sufferers should be allowed to eat whatever and whenever they like and suffer an early death? There is a possible argument for free-will, but again I'm not sure I follow you. Those that do undergo treatment do not necessarily spend huge amounts of money and still die early (I have worked with cases).

    Maybe I'm being a little unfair here, perhaps some clarification is all that is required?
     
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    Charity surprised by UN chief's cannabis remarks

    The response from Drugscope (UK) (http://www.drugscope.org.uk/news_item.asp?a=3&intID=1333) :

    Charity surprised by UN chief's cannabis remarks

    Leading UK drugs charity DrugScope today expressed surprise at remarks made by the Executive Director of the UNODC that cocaine and heroin are no more harmful than cannabis. The comments were made at the launch of the 2006 World Drug Report.
    “DrugScope is surprised and concerned by the UNODC Chief's comments regarding cannabis” said Martin Barnes, Chief Executive of DrugScope.
    “The UK government, education system and charities have worked hard in recent years to ensure our young people are given factual information about the relative harms of drugs. International evidence is clear that cocaine and heroin cause much greater health and social harms than cannabis and it is misleading and irresponsible to suggest otherwise. Cannabis is a harmful substance but the greater harms caused by cocaine and heroin should not be downplayed.
    “European evidence shows that although stronger strains of cannabis are available than 20 years ago, there has not been a significant increase overall in the use of more potent forms of the drug."
    Responding to other key issues raised by the report, Barnes continued:
    "Although we should not be complacent, cocaine use in the UK has remained stable in recent years, with last year’s figures showing a slight drop to levels seen in 2000. "Opium production in Afghanistan continues to be a concern, but it would be unrealistic to expect a significant reduction in levels of production without improvements in the country’s infrastructure and better access to alternative sources of income or employment.”
     
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    Yes shroomonger I agree with ya on co-incidence post,cant qiute figure out what he is saying compairing cocaine and h as being equal to pot,That is as far off as to say that a cow could win a race against a rabbit.I have not heard of any deaths caused by pot by an o.d,the only thing that pot would probably give a person a problem is eating too much l.o.l.. Well I think that pot may not even be as dangerious as tobacco.I am not trying to offend co-incidence but you should not put cannobis in the same catergory of speed of any kind. Pot as I say has no speed like effect at all,or does it have any ; like morophine,dog-food(h),unless it was of-course laced.Why do you think co_incidence that cannibos should be a class b instead of c./ Like I say does not mean to offend you but youre post is ludicrous,sorry.In the U.S. cannibos,in its medical form known as dronabinol which BTW is the name brand aka marinol is a controlled schedule 3,So in the U>S a schedule is probably the same as a class in youre area.But anyway Lortab,Vicoden is also a schedule 3 which means it makes docs decision to prescribe schedule 3 easier than schedule 2:s.Schedule 2:s are drugs such as morophine,fentanyl,oxy,the more potent drugs.Schedule 1 is drugs like cocaine,meth,dog-food(h) which can not be prescribed and are illegal.So as far as you compairing pot to drugs as addictive as the shedule 2 in the U>S is absurd,again hopefully not offending you but I just wanted you to no his opinion and some of the facts.
     
  12. Benga

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    funny, the UN also gave out a report saying cocaine use was on the rise in the european union 2 days ago, "alarming" etc...
    read the article in french so didn't post it here, but it should be around online in english media, will hunt it down
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    Im sorry, but that has to be the most ignorant post ive ever seen on drugs forum ever. allow me to go over some reasons why.

    You agree with cannabis being as dangerous as cocaine and heroin? really, how many cannabis overdoses have there been? How many women prostitute themselves for marijuana? what is the LD50 of marijuana compared to cocaine and heroin? what are the odds of marijuana being cut with a dangerous chemical? How many people are killed over marijuana vs the cocaine and heroin industries? (i.e. how violent is the associated underworld)

    Cannabis use is only widespread because it keeps people paralyzed in there thoughts and keeps users better controlled? Wanna talk about a widespread drug problem that manipulates peoples thoughts, lets talk about those 2, 3, million kids on ritalin everyday. Have you ever took a glance at these kids, jesus they look like the kids they were givin morphine in the late 1800's. Isn't the very point of prescribing ritalin to "better control" these children. Do you even realize what you say? was your whole post sarcastic?

    Cannabis smoking stimulates and pushes the brain to a morphine like addiction pattern, in fact the same pattern? ummm reference please. There is no scientific evidence whatsoever cannabis is even the least bit physically addictive, furthermore it would be completely obscene to compare "cannabis dependancy" with morphine addiction. How about you talk to a few people who have been addicted to both and try and convince them that its the same pattern of addiction. Im sure theres a couple swiy's on this forum who would gladly explain the difference to you, if you really believe the propaganda your ritalin controlled mind is recycling to me. As far as cannabis stimulating, if it does (results go either way) stimulate it does so less than caffeine, hardly comparable to drugs like speed which practically burst peoples hearts open if a dose is miscalculated.

    Speed should be over the counter and you find hardly any reason against it? wow thats not biased. egh not even going to address that, other than saying look at your freakin post, the grammar the spelling, the irrelevant rants that dont fit with you general message, hell I had to edit out half of your post for it not making sense just to start. Your not making a good case on behalf of your drug of choice.

    and finally why are there 2 to 3 million healthy children on ritalin and dexedrine. Short answer, they're not, in fact they are most likely physically addicted and suffering serious physical side affects, however it may not show because the doctors make sure they are on regimented doses with no danger of running out, physical damage may take years, even decades to appear. With a an endless supply and regimented non escalating doses you could probably take heroin pills every day for years and it would never show. Doesnt mean you didnt have a problem that whole time, doesnt mean it was good for you.

    egh sorry, im not the confrontational type but this post was just redicolous. If any mod bothers reading this feel free to delete that guys post and mine bitching about it as well.........as far as being on the topic, it honestly doesnt suprise me the UN would say that, as of late they seem to be pushovers.
     
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    and oh yea, (sorry no edit button that i see) .

    There is no way in hell that everybody who ever successfully completed there education used amphetamines. That is one of the stupidest things I have ever heard, ever. Think about what your saying, there could be kids reading this! (oh look, it says here you have to snort crank to succeed in school) ....yea thats the image were lookin for at drugs forum.

    It was equally ignorant to say it is impossible for a weed smoker to successfully complete his education without stimulants. This is very not true, swim can vouch for several proffesionals who completed over four years of college without use of amphetamines, some of which smoked heavy amounts of marijuana the whole time.
     
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    pokey: In a democracy, even those one believes to be insane must have the same rights to express their opinions. It's how it works. Attacking the writer of an unpopular viewpoint only serves to draw greater attention to the person and their beliefs.

    I would suggest that you look at this from a different angle: The Dangers of Amphetamine Abuse. You know there are no morgues full of dead ravers. So you know such an allegation is untrue - as do the vast majority of our members. You know this to be propaganda spread by those who would be elected to positions of power within the government by using fear-driven hysteria as their platform. So you know that those who would parrot this rhetoric are victims of such lies and distortions. And hopefully you have learned something new here: That people who have abused amphetamine-class drugs are vulnerable to paranoid rhetoric. This should not come as a great surprise if you have studied this class of drug and the damage it can cause to long-term users.

    Perhaps you could form a coalition of brain-damaged speed-freaks to go out and actively campaign for those politicians who run on platforms of supporting the war on drugs. It would certainly be interesting to watch the results.
     
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      interesting and witty angle you've suggested - makes me think.
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    Yes, this post was sarcastic! At least laced with a huge portion of it, involving the "logic" of the drug-charta.

    Exept that I really mean, that heroine and speed might be used with less health-risks than smoking pot, which I don´t condemn and most of the pot-smokers i kow (I even as in love with one, as a complete Non-smoker) did succceed in what they were doing and swic managed to do very well smoking a cup or two after working night shift and reliably working the next shift again and again and again (without speed).

    I see that prescribing Ritalin to children is a part of selecting out the lively ones who can´t manage to get along with the lifestyle of the overweight generation, declaring the children odr people who arent´obese as sick as soon as their BMI isnt´above 27.^^
     
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    If the war on drugs is being won then a little blue fairy lives in my backyard.
     
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    Hmm according to this drug war clock seems to me a lot more money is being wasted then doing any thing else. http://www.drugsense.org/wodclock.htm I did not see the link to this clock anywhere else on the forum if it is sorry for reposting it.
     
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