Drug info - Hawaiian Shrooms (AKA Panaeolus Cyanescens)

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  1. CAPONE

    CAPONE Newbie

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    I heard that hawaian shrooms are the most powerful, so what would be the correct dosage?
     
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    I have never heard that claim.* For the most part, all are pretty close, but maybe some are stronger.* I however have not heard anything about hawiian being the most potent.* And as for the dosage, it really just depends how hard you want to trip.* Also, have you ever taken shrooms before.* You might want to start with a low dose.* 20 grams wet or 2 grams dry seems like a pretty good dose.* Just be in a good enviroment and you could take 1-3 grams of shrooms safely.* I would say 4 would be pushing it for your first time.* If these shrooms are as powerful as you are saying, I wouldnt recommend taking more than 2 grams your first time.* I took 3.5 grams his first time and lost his mind.*

    This chart was taken from erowid.org

    Oral P. cubensis Dosages

    Threshold
    .25 g or 1/100 oz

    Light
    .25 - 1 g or 1/100 - 1/28oz

    Common
    1 - 2.5 g or 1/28 - 1/10oz

    Strong
    2.5 - 5 g or 1/10 - 1/6oz

    Heavy
    5 + g or 1/4oz +


    If it is your first time, you might wanna stay in the common dose range, and veer no past 3 or so, especially if these shrooms are really good.* Are they indoor cultivated, or did they grow in a field?* You might wanna do some more research on shrooms because it seems like you have had a lot of questions.

    http://www.erowid.org/plants/mushrooms/mushrooms_dose.shtml


    Lots of information there
    [* Have fun with your trip.Edited by: BA
     
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  3. Phungushead

    Phungushead Twisted Depiction Staff Member Administrator

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    Hawaiian Cubensis, Hawaiian Copelandia

    There is a species of shroom, panaeolus cyanescens (copelandia), which
    is known as the Hawaiian... these are considerably more potent than
    the Hawaiian strain of psilocybe cubensis. 10g wet would be a decent dose of
    these things.
     
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    Also, keep in mind that although the copelandias will be smaller, that
    does not mean you have to eat more of them! Tiny mushrooms pack as much
    of a wallop as their bigger friends.
     
  5. ramjet

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    it's all true, trust me, well at least from the selections they offer
    here in Britain. Copelandia Cyanenscens (aka "Hawaiians") are a
    different strain of mushroom to p.cubensis (Mexicans, Columibians,
    Thai, Amazonians etc.) and produce a much more intense, more visual and
    more "shamanic" experience, for want of a better explanation. They are
    also specifically marketed as being the strongest variety. The local
    mushroom shop near me describes them as the "ferrari of the mushroom
    world" (believe me when i say this isn't just a clever marketing ploy
    ;-)). One portion is dosed at 10g fresh, compared to 20g fresh for the
    p.cubensis varieties and I have reached a strong +++ with just HALF a
    portion (however that was only my second experience with mushrooms).
    These combine VERY well with columbians (a combination that has
    produced my only ++++ experience).
     
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    Intense, less controllable, morevisual & serious then cubensis. I wouldn't call them the ferrari of mushrooms at all. Stronger does not mean the best experience. Yes, if you are a hardhead, not responding well to other mushrooms, hawaiian is the way to go. But shopkeepers advising hawaiian to novice shroomers are responsible for many bad trips. The serious character of hawaiian shrooms is far more likely to give bad trips than the more joyfull and controllable species like mexicana or cubensis.
     
  7. ramjet

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    agreed alfa, they are indeed more serious in their character. Anyone
    looking for a cheap buzz should stay clear. One of my favourite strains
    has to be the "Amazonian" p.cubensis (or matias romero). I have
    experienced some remarkable and profound, but gentle and benevolent
    trips on this strain. All the things that stress me out seem to melt
    away into insignificance as I realise my potential to solve these
    problems. I see waves of energy emanating from people as they dance,
    move, communicate and the perpetual battle of egos that seems to
    dominate every day interactions melt away. Wonderful. I couldn't
    imagine having a bad trip on them. It also produces some of the
    more stereotypical mushroom traits for me like "tracers" and finding
    everything hilarious.



    I apologise if I sound a little over-enthusiastic [​IMG]



    Despite calling them the ferrari of the mushroom world the local
    Birmingham shop that sells mushrooms is VERY cautious and I have seen
    them refuse to serve people who look overly nervous. They also
    instructed me to only do half a portion of hawaiians when I bought them
    and must have repeatedly told me to "be careful, these are very very
    strong".


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  8. raven3davis

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    Nice!! I knew about cyanenscens but I never knew they were called Hawiians. I really want to try some of those. It seems that only maybe 5 grams would be needed for a mind boggling experience, or would 5 grams be too much. I like the higher doses so would 5 grams be like 10+ cubensis? How much more powerful woiuld you say cyanenscens are from cubensis?
     
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    for well grown potent cye's a dry dose is usually 2 grams in swim's experience.
     
  10. ramjet

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    do you mean two grams dried?



    They only sell them fresh here in Britain (and not for long [​IMG]).
    Depends how many mushrooms you've taken before, what your tolerance is
    like, how strong your mind is, how level headed and in control of your
    emotions you are. You can't really compare dosage with p.cubensis
    because the effects are different. The cubensis varieties are
    "friendlier" which means it's easier to control the trips. If you are
    an experienced mushroom user I would say go for a whole portion (10g
    fresh) or mix half a portion of Cya's with a
    portion or half a portion of a p.cubensis strain (that being 10g. 20g fresh = 1 potion
    of p.cubensis) for a really nice mix. If you aren't that experienced
    (say
    you've had 1-3 trips) then try half a portion to start with. I don't
    think half a portion of cya's would get me beyond a reasonable ++
    nowadays.



    To answer your question 10g Hawaiians fresh will produce a trip
    noticably stronger than 20g p.cubensis fresh, even though both are sold as one portion. I've never taken them dry
    so I can't really comment on dry shroom dosage.



    Cya's differ in several respects:



    1. for me mushrooms aren't really about the visuals, which aren't that
    powerful except in larger doses. They're more about the "connected to
    the cosmos" type high, ego loss, change in perception etc. However,
    Hawaiians definitely produce more prominant visuals than any other
    strain: I've noticed that colours are enhanced to a far far greater
    extent than I've had on any other strain, faces morph and mutate, which
    I haven't really had on other strains to the same degree and walls melt
    and drip (again - haven't really had this on other strains). On
    half a portion (the second time I took shrooms) I had geometric,
    florescent red and yellow grids imprinted on my field of vision, movies
    looking like cartoons, and people, skies and landscapes moving inside
    still photographs. Once again, p.cubensis has never done this for me.
    On the Hawaiian/Columbian mix I had full on powerful hallucinations
    (which didn't matter because thought was the same as sight[​IMG]
    ... see below) including full on morphing objects, colourful twinkles
    and rainbows emanating from objects, full on cartoon imagery,
    electronic vortexes and winamp style visualisations imprinted on my
    field of vision and my friend's face turning into the colours of a
    chequer board. The lights were on full and yet at one point it made no difference whether my eyes were open or closed. Crazy.



    2. the [email protected] element (distortion of space and time, perception and
    understanding of the function of objects, understanding what the hell
    is going on etc.) is CONSIDERABLY more powerful. With a portion of
    cubensis I find that I still have a certain degree of control and could
    deal with an emergency situation if the need arose. With Hawaiians, the
    drug is quite firmly in control and you have no choice but to follow it
    and let it lead you to wherever it wants to lead you. For example, I
    remember beong incredibly confused about the fact that my friend
    couldn't see me through my mobile phone when I was speaking to him. My
    sense of proximity had become completely destroyed. Tables, chairs,
    ashtrays and other inanimate and otherwise uninteresting objects take
    on whole new meanings and I forget what their original function is.
    With the Columbian/Hawaiian combination I had COMPLETE synesthesia as
    all my senses merged into one and I thought I could perceive the energy
    force that bound everything together existing outside of space, time
    and all normal senses. The fact that I was hallucinating really didn't
    matter at all because my thought process was the same as and was
    controlling what I saw and heard. I thought I could sense the infinite
    parallel dimensions that existed next to our universe, objects appeared
    to have eternal depth etc. Pleasure was no longer a feeling but the very essence of my
    being. Each dimension became a dimension of total inner peace and pure
    transcendental bliss.



    3. In my experience, the trip generally lasts slightly longer, by an
    hour sometimes two. The peak itself will also be slightly longer, but
    not by a lot.



    Sounds a bit cliched doesn't it? But that's been my experience. Try and
    get hold of some. So long as you are prepared, you want an intense trip
    and you get the set and setting PERFECT then you'll really appreciate
    this one [​IMG]



    Sorry for babling on


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  11. big-lester

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    I've heard that P. Azurescens is the most potent, I had them twice and
    they where very visual but not as unconfortable as C. Cyanescens, They
    gave a wave of relaxation and they where the best shoorms I tryed,
    BUT... I had one of the most intesing trip with copelandia cyanescens,
    We went to some dunes and that was one of the best trips of my life but
    I'm going to do that again except without the Copelandia Cyanescen but
    with the P. Azurescens
     
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    I hear Thai mushrooms are brilliant. A buddy of mine has gone to both Hawaii and Thailand and he says the Thai shrooms are way better. He says that they give you full on visualisations and completely abstract coloured eyesight unlik the Hawaii shrooms which are good but are a bit more of a headfuck (tunnelled vision, visual drops/splashes etc.)
     
  13. ramjet

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    Thai mushrooms are supposed to be a medium strength strain - more of a
    body buzz, but don't confuse where the mushroom came from with the
    nickname it gets. I've seen several strains called "hawaiians" before
    despite cya's being the usual. I've no doubt there are more visual
    strains out there ... and I intend to hunt them down [​IMG]
     
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    thanks. I need to get hold of those Azurenscens. But I happen to know
    that cyanenscens are much stronger than cubensis from experience so how
    come they're lower down on the scale? Is there a difference between
    copelandia cyanenscens and psilocybe cyanenscens?
     
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    Well, it's just psilocin levels as far as I know, not really their
    psychoactive potential. It depends per person and per mushroom what
    exact alkaloids are present. Many chemicals cause the unique effect of
    each spieces. Since Copelandia C. is not a real Psilocybe, but another
    family, I am quite sure other alkaloids are responsible for the strong
    visual effect of Copelandia C.



    I am not sure if there is a Psilocybe Cyanescens - anyone care helping out?
     
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    Paneaolus cyanescens is psilocybe copelandia, which is very high in psilocin levels and low in baeocystin and psilocybin. The trip is generally very visual and can get very serious.


    Psilocybe cyanescens, which is a woodeater, has very different alkaloid levels, twice as much psilocybin as psilocin . Besides being very visual as well, Psilocybe cyanescensAKA Wavy Capcan give a happy and drunk kind of feeling. Psilocybe cyanescens can be even morepotent than paneaolus cyanescens aka Hawaiian shrooms.