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Smoking - holding in smoke?

Discussion in 'Methamphetamine' started by izzy31, Mar 29, 2010.

  1. izzy31

    izzy31

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    will holding in meth smoke get you higher than if you just inhaled and exhaled? (like it does with weed)
     
  2. bubbly nubs

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    Certainly. If the methamphetamine is pure then one should hold the vapor until none is released as all of the vapor will be methamphetamine. Obviously this will be different if the drug contains non active chemicals which also vaporized but the longer the vapor is held in, the more drug is absorbed.
     
  3. ninjaned

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    My gerbil believes that most of the meth is absorbed fairly quickly(first few seconds) so after a count of 5ish swiy can exhale.

    Hope that helped,
    Ned
     
  4. boopboopboop

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    Ok my monkey just told me that he like to hold the smoke til the stuff comes "back" in the bowl. Its a monkey thing!:thumbsup: But I know this dude that says dont hold it it will crystalize in your lungs??? monkey says doesn't it do that anyway???? My monkey is always right!!!:cool::applause::cool:
     
  5. fryingsquirrel

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    Of course it crystalizes in your lungs, that's why you get high.
     
  6. Meray420

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    My giraffe said top hold it in for around 3-5 seconds any longer and it crystalizes in your lungs,and oh yea,that's horrible for your lungs.:)
     
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    yeah, swim always heard that it crystallizes your lungs like others have said. Swim doesn't think it helps to hold it in longer, because he has tried doing a shotgun w/ meth and it didn't work. So it probably gets absorbed quickly. Plus any cut thats in it is probably bad for your lungs even if you try to get most of it out before smoking.
     
  8. Zeolias

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    holyfk , when will people stop saying it crystallizes in your lungs . The human body is about 60% water in adult males and 55% in adult females. Mêth is soluable in water , very soluable .

    Holding it in gets you much higher , but if your dealer stomps on it or is fail at chem if he makes it. It's not a bad idea to blow out since cutters cant be all too good.
     
  9. izzy31

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    The stuff SWIM gets is ice quality - shiny and sparkly, and if you drop it on any surface, you can hear that "cling" sound that many associate with high-grade methamphetamine.
     
  10. pulpz

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    Agreed...SWIM simply does not understand how it would be possible, especially in a Human lung for a solid to become a liquid then become vapor and that inhaled vapor to revert back to being solid. SWIM isn't a Chemistry know-it-all (very little actually). But the whole recrystallizing in your lungs if held in seems to SWIM far fetched at best.
     
  11. Impure157

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    Yes pure methamphetamine is very water soluble, the inside walls of the lungs are a mucous membrane unless I'm remembering basic health class wrong.

    That means that the vapor will be absorbed in your lungs just as has as it would be in the nasal cavity, the only difference is it STARTS crystallized when insufflated whereas it is a vapor when smoked. Even if it did not absorb fast enough and cooled back to a solid what is to say that small amount of solid matter wouldn't absorb just like in the nasal tissue?
     
  12. XXX_Fiend

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    the hyaena holds the hit in for as long as possible then breathes out threw nose. seems to get higher that way.
     
  13. icetiger

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    That's true. It's very water soluble as I have heard of people putting it in drinks. Beware! If Meth vapour can burn your eyes and skin, then wouldn't it be dangerous to breathe it in for too long?
     
  14. Doctor Meth

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    As any Dragon would agree to holding one's smoke allows the lungs more time to absorb the medication. As and example think of dropping a chard in a spoon. Then dropping water on it. How long would it take to dissolve on its own? Certainly not three seconds. Caution in the wind, one does not need to smoke as much this way. In a lamens way of looking at the scenario your absorption lessons dramatically with each hit. Q10 can help with this. In fact the doctors throat is sore from taking two massive hits today instead of just one as he normally does. Please feel free to MSG the doctor For more detailed information.


    Doctor Meth
     
  15. ilovetrip

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    Dr.M, the scenario you described doesn't apply to vapour inhaled. Just like a good vape technique, its all about surface area. a 25mg shard has a say 10mm^2 surface area, but 25mg shard smashed up into one hundred small shards will have much more surface area, and will disolve alot faster. Would this not apply to the vapours? absorbed very fast because of the tiny molacules?

    Another thing, when you suck a glass dick, you inhale for a long time, allowing a large percent of the vapours to stay in there longer than the final draw. So if you held it for say 3 seconds, thats 3 seconds for the last draw to be absorbed, and the rest would have longer.

    Also, if the vapour hit your tounge, would it absorb some of the good stuff?
     
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    i DO NOT recomend holding in a dope rip...
     
  17. mmm-ice

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    Lets put some facts on the table......

    Methamphetamine Hydrochloride (i.e. Ice, Meth etc) melts at 170-175 degrees C, and becomes a gas/vapour slightly above this temp (refer erowid).

    When meth is heated in a pipe the shards melt (into a pool at the bottom of the bowl). If more heat is applied the liquid boils and turns into a vapour (same as ice>water>steam). As soon as the meth vapour cools below 175degrees it turns back to a solid in the form of micro-crystals. The white 'smoke' one sees coming out of a pipe are billions of these micro-crystals.

    When meth is smoked the user inhales the micro-crystals. The micro-crystals are very soluble and some/most dissolve as soon as they hit the lung tissues.

    This means that concerns about meth "crystalizing" in the lungs are non-sense. The meth is already in crystal form long before it hits the lungs. And meth is very soluble in water - so any meth in the lungs will be totally dissolved.

    It is not physically possible to inhale meth vapour (and live) - meth is only a vapour above 175degreesC - imagine breathing in a mouthful of 175degree steam from a pressure cooker and how your lungs would feel.

    Which brings me to the conclusion that if one is smoking pure meth then any 'smoke' that is exhaled is wasted euphoria. Better to hold it in and absorb as much as possible.

    If meth is cut with 'bad stuff' then the pros/cons of holding vs exhaling fast will depend on what the 'bad stuff' actually is (melting point, solubility, toxicity etc). If the bad stuff melts below 175degreesC & is more soluble than meth then the lungs will have absorbed most of it before you even get around to exhaling. If the bad stuff melts above (say 250C) then it's mostly going to stay in the bowl and won't vapourise anyway.

    Any thoughts ??
     
  18. æsndns

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    Excellent post mmm-ice. With uncut, what would gargling out the exhalation with water and swallowing do, generally speaking? Hypothetically one could percolate with water in ones mouth, or use a device and swallow the water, what would that do, generally speaking? Holding it in, and not holding it in aspects, at 175degreesC level.
     
  19. mmm-ice

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    Throat, mouth, lungs are already full of moisture - so gargling some extra liquid in the mouth probably isnt going to make much difference (but isnt going to hurt).

    Exhaling into a bong full of water - will likely capture some meth in the water -but most will likely blow thru and not dissolve (just like when a bong is used to smoke meth - reverse direction).

    My main point in the post above is (my belief) that blowing huge clouds is just a waste (of fun & money).
     
  20. Addie Daddy

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    A close friend held in the smoke her first time for about 15-20 seconds, thinking it was like weed. She ended up going to the doctor with "bronchitis" problems because she was coughing so bad. Crystallizing your lungs = not fun.

    Just wanted to add that experience.